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longbowrocks
post Jul 1 2011, 03:03 AM
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I'm in a rush, so I'll keep this short (by the way, this is not a starting character. this is the max):
  • 7 Elf
  • +1 Metagenetic improvement (AGI)
  • +1 Enhanced Attribute (AGI)
  • +1 Genetic Optimization (AGI)
  • +4 muscle toner
  • +1 suprathyroid gland
  • 6 longarms
  • +1 Aptitude
  • +3 adept improved ability (longarms)
  • +2 specialization (sniper rifles)
  • +2 smartgun system
  • +2 home ground
  • +1 synch
  • +4 tacnet
  • 6 edge


Right there we have 42 DP under the right conditions (you need to see the target attack something first, you need to spend edge, etc). If you take 5 consecutive take aim actions (1/2 your skill) then that's 47 DP.

That was for a partially functional character. Here's the real deal. Instead of the muscle toner and suprathyroid gland, get a cybertorso and two customized cyber arms at your normal natural attribute rating, then enhance them to 15 AGI. Using the optional rules for redlining your cyberlimbs in Augmentation, double that to 30 AGI for one use.

You will need 6+ BOD, 6+ WIL, and an autodoc or teammate on standby to pull this off. Allow me to explain, you take stun damage equal to 2X the boost you give to your limb,resisted with BOD , so with the cyber and attributes, you'll have a combined condition monitor of 25 + 6 overflow. Just enough to survive 30 Stun in the worst case.

Anyway, 62 DP with that last touch.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:11 AM
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What the f*ck are you trying to make?! The last shot from Wanted?!
But, I like the thought exercise. Kudos.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:13 AM
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*Shakes Head* Why?
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:16 AM
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*mumbles* Damn dragons and their magic. Let's see who's OP now. *mumbles*
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:17 AM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jun 30 2011, 10:13 PM) *
*Shakes Head* Why?
Because squeezing out the last bit of math to make "The Best At What I Do" is a theme in RPGs for a long time now.

It has it's place, sometimes, however.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:23 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 30 2011, 11:17 PM) *
Because squeezing out the last bit of math to make "The Best At What I Do" is a theme in RPGs for a long time now.

It has it's place, sometimes, however.


The most epic thought exercise I've ever seen (and no, don't ask me to find it again) was a D&D character who had 100 in every stat.

EVERY stat. All 6 attributes, armor, flat footed armor, touch armor, fort save, reflex save, will save...every single stat.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:26 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jul 1 2011, 04:23 AM) *
The most epic thought exercise I've ever seen (and no, don't ask me to find it again) was a D&D character who had 100 in every stat.

EVERY stat. All 6 attributes, armor, flat footed armor, touch armor, fort save, reflex save, will save...every single stat.

So help me Flying Spaghetti Monster, if you say Pun-Pun.....

But really, I had most of that with a level 20 Psion who infinite power points. It's doable, just not fun to put into play. The Konami Code is only fun for one-shots, mostly.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:27 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Jun 30 2011, 07:23 PM) *
The most epic thought exercise I've ever seen (and no, don't ask me to find it again) was a D&D character who had 100 in every stat.

EVERY stat. All 6 attributes, armor, flat footed armor, touch armor, fort save, reflex save, will save...every single stat.

What is this I don't even.
I though DnD was practically immune to powergaming in comparison to Shadowrun. Were all the stats pretty much the result of abusing a single mechanic?
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:29 AM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Jul 1 2011, 04:27 AM) *
What is this I don't even.
I though DnD was practically immune to powergaming in comparison to Shadowrun. Were all the stats pretty much the result of abusing a single mechanic?

You must not play much 3.5. One of my favorite characters could run around a European nation in six seconds and when he gets back to his starting point the entire nation bursts into flames.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:33 AM
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It's a dice pool exercise, like the pornomancer or the ultimate climber, that's all. The problem with them is that they can degenerate into questionable rules interpretations and illogical rules loopholes.

But for more straightforward bonuses, don't forget tacnet bonuses (although you would need either a lot of teammates or a lot of spotter drones to really get a decent boost out of it).
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:35 AM
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D'oh. Forgot about that! Fixing now.
I am ashamed I didn't think of that. Especially since I'm currently playing a hacker.
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post Jul 1 2011, 03:56 AM
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Note, the Elf is the same metatype for a Pornomancer... You could plan for this from the get-go, but you'll be a bit short on points. Also, you'll have to prioritize between shooting people personally, or convincing others to do it for you. Either way, what fun!?
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:02 AM
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QUOTE (Rubic @ Jun 30 2011, 07:56 PM) *
Note, the Elf is the same metatype for a Pornomancer... You could plan for this from the get-go, but you'll be a bit short on points. Also, you'll have to prioritize between shooting people personally, or convincing others to do it for you. Either way, what fun!?

Oh god. The agony. What will the rest of your party do?
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:05 AM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Jun 30 2011, 08:03 PM) *
+1 synch


OOoh! you forgot a dice.

Hint: Its related to synch.

You can even get it to pay for itself with a negative quality in augmentation.(though i am away from books, i'm fairly sure its aug, but might be RC)
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:07 AM
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QUOTE (longbowrocks @ Jun 30 2011, 07:27 PM) *
What is this I don't even.
I though DnD was practically immune to powergaming in comparison to Shadowrun. Were all the stats pretty much the result of abusing a single mechanic?

Depends on the edition.

in 2e, it was all dependent on your ability score rolls. If you rolled high, you could easily be better off at first level than a higher-level character with lower stats. 3.0/3.5 didn't depend so much on ability scores, but you could combine feats, races, and prestige classes in such a way as to get insane benefits. Pun-Pun the infinite kobold is the worst example of this.

4e's a lot more resistant to breakage. You can still optimize the hell out of a character, but the differences aren't so glaring. Also, it's really difficult to end up with a gimped character in 4e.
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:29 AM
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QUOTE (Udoshi @ Jun 30 2011, 08:05 PM) *
OOoh! you forgot a dice.

Hint: Its related to synch.

You can even get it to pay for itself with a negative quality in augmentation.(though i am away from books, i'm fairly sure its aug, but might be RC)

I'll look, but if I haven't found it by now, I probably never will.
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:37 AM
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I think he's talking about (with a cooperative GM!) getting a permanent infusion, in this case Sideways, with the mysterious cyberware negative quality. Not sure I'd let that stack with Synch, though, since Synch is part of the "mix" of Sideways.
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post Jul 1 2011, 04:48 AM
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I remember those now. 5 hits seems a little bit hard to reach though.
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post Jul 1 2011, 06:43 AM
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QUOTE (Glyph @ Jun 30 2011, 09:37 PM) *
I think he's talking about (with a cooperative GM!) getting a permanent infusion, in this case Sideways, with the mysterious cyberware negative quality. Not sure I'd let that stack with Synch, though, since Synch is part of the "mix" of Sideways.


Bingo.

The benefit of Sideways is that its a +1 to combat tests, instead of a +1 after observing your opponent that Synch is.

In this case, the Permant Infusion negative quality would let you start with it. It has a heft downside, but, hey, its one way to do it.
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post Jul 1 2011, 09:27 AM
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No Analyze Device and Possession spirits? I am disappoint...
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post Jul 1 2011, 09:33 AM
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If he's lucky, he can get an edge point more.
And he should also cast Analyze Device on the rifle and have a machine sprite inside.
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post Jul 1 2011, 01:05 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jun 30 2011, 08:17 PM) *
Because squeezing out the last bit of math to make "The Best At What I Do" is a theme in RPGs for a long time now.

It has it's place, sometimes, however.


I'm Sorry... I just see absolutely no use in it whatsoever...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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post Jul 1 2011, 01:10 PM
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QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Jul 1 2011, 08:05 AM) *
I'm Sorry... I just see absolutely no use in it whatsoever...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
Testing for game balance. Give ideas to your group's munchkin/power gamer/rules lawyer and evaluate the result.
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 1 2011, 06:10 AM) *
Testing for game balance. Give ideas to your group's munchkin/power gamer/rules lawyer and evaluate the result.

Maybe that's the Problem... We do not care about Edge Cases in the least. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 1 2011, 06:10 AM) *
Testing for game balance. Give ideas to your group's munchkin/power gamer/rules lawyer and evaluate the result.

That's why I keep Longbow around!
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