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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
I'm in a rush, so I'll keep this short (by the way, this is not a starting character. this is the max):
Right there we have 42 DP under the right conditions (you need to see the target attack something first, you need to spend edge, etc). If you take 5 consecutive take aim actions (1/2 your skill) then that's 47 DP. That was for a partially functional character. Here's the real deal. Instead of the muscle toner and suprathyroid gland, get a cybertorso and two customized cyber arms at your normal natural attribute rating, then enhance them to 15 AGI. Using the optional rules for redlining your cyberlimbs in Augmentation, double that to 30 AGI for one use. You will need 6+ BOD, 6+ WIL, and an autodoc or teammate on standby to pull this off. Allow me to explain, you take stun damage equal to 2X the boost you give to your limb,resisted with BOD , so with the cyber and attributes, you'll have a combined condition monitor of 25 + 6 overflow. Just enough to survive 30 Stun in the worst case. Anyway, 62 DP with that last touch. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 9-May 08 Member No.: 15,965 ![]() |
What the f*ck are you trying to make?! The last shot from Wanted?!
But, I like the thought exercise. Kudos. |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
*Shakes Head* Why?
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
*mumbles* Damn dragons and their magic. Let's see who's OP now. *mumbles*
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
Because squeezing out the last bit of math to make "The Best At What I Do" is a theme in RPGs for a long time now. It has it's place, sometimes, however. The most epic thought exercise I've ever seen (and no, don't ask me to find it again) was a D&D character who had 100 in every stat. EVERY stat. All 6 attributes, armor, flat footed armor, touch armor, fort save, reflex save, will save...every single stat. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 9-May 08 Member No.: 15,965 ![]() |
The most epic thought exercise I've ever seen (and no, don't ask me to find it again) was a D&D character who had 100 in every stat. EVERY stat. All 6 attributes, armor, flat footed armor, touch armor, fort save, reflex save, will save...every single stat. So help me Flying Spaghetti Monster, if you say Pun-Pun..... But really, I had most of that with a level 20 Psion who infinite power points. It's doable, just not fun to put into play. The Konami Code is only fun for one-shots, mostly. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
The most epic thought exercise I've ever seen (and no, don't ask me to find it again) was a D&D character who had 100 in every stat. EVERY stat. All 6 attributes, armor, flat footed armor, touch armor, fort save, reflex save, will save...every single stat. What is this I don't even. I though DnD was practically immune to powergaming in comparison to Shadowrun. Were all the stats pretty much the result of abusing a single mechanic? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 673 Joined: 9-May 08 Member No.: 15,965 ![]() |
What is this I don't even. I though DnD was practically immune to powergaming in comparison to Shadowrun. Were all the stats pretty much the result of abusing a single mechanic? You must not play much 3.5. One of my favorite characters could run around a European nation in six seconds and when he gets back to his starting point the entire nation bursts into flames. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
It's a dice pool exercise, like the pornomancer or the ultimate climber, that's all. The problem with them is that they can degenerate into questionable rules interpretations and illogical rules loopholes.
But for more straightforward bonuses, don't forget tacnet bonuses (although you would need either a lot of teammates or a lot of spotter drones to really get a decent boost out of it). |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
D'oh. Forgot about that! Fixing now.
I am ashamed I didn't think of that. Especially since I'm currently playing a hacker. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 608 Joined: 7-June 11 From: Virginia Beach, VA Member No.: 31,052 ![]() |
Note, the Elf is the same metatype for a Pornomancer... You could plan for this from the get-go, but you'll be a bit short on points. Also, you'll have to prioritize between shooting people personally, or convincing others to do it for you. Either way, what fun!?
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
Note, the Elf is the same metatype for a Pornomancer... You could plan for this from the get-go, but you'll be a bit short on points. Also, you'll have to prioritize between shooting people personally, or convincing others to do it for you. Either way, what fun!? Oh god. The agony. What will the rest of your party do? |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 ![]() |
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Grand Master of Run-Fu ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,840 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 178 ![]() |
What is this I don't even. I though DnD was practically immune to powergaming in comparison to Shadowrun. Were all the stats pretty much the result of abusing a single mechanic? Depends on the edition. in 2e, it was all dependent on your ability score rolls. If you rolled high, you could easily be better off at first level than a higher-level character with lower stats. 3.0/3.5 didn't depend so much on ability scores, but you could combine feats, races, and prestige classes in such a way as to get insane benefits. Pun-Pun the infinite kobold is the worst example of this. 4e's a lot more resistant to breakage. You can still optimize the hell out of a character, but the differences aren't so glaring. Also, it's really difficult to end up with a gimped character in 4e. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
OOoh! you forgot a dice. Hint: Its related to synch. You can even get it to pay for itself with a negative quality in augmentation.(though i am away from books, i'm fairly sure its aug, but might be RC) I'll look, but if I haven't found it by now, I probably never will. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
I think he's talking about (with a cooperative GM!) getting a permanent infusion, in this case Sideways, with the mysterious cyberware negative quality. Not sure I'd let that stack with Synch, though, since Synch is part of the "mix" of Sideways.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,109 Joined: 13-March 11 From: Portland, Oregon Member No.: 24,230 ![]() |
I remember those now. 5 hits seems a little bit hard to reach though.
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,782 Joined: 28-August 09 Member No.: 17,566 ![]() |
I think he's talking about (with a cooperative GM!) getting a permanent infusion, in this case Sideways, with the mysterious cyberware negative quality. Not sure I'd let that stack with Synch, though, since Synch is part of the "mix" of Sideways. Bingo. The benefit of Sideways is that its a +1 to combat tests, instead of a +1 after observing your opponent that Synch is. In this case, the Permant Infusion negative quality would let you start with it. It has a heft downside, but, hey, its one way to do it. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 973 Joined: 8-January 10 Member No.: 18,018 ![]() |
No Analyze Device and Possession spirits? I am disappoint...
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,009 Joined: 25-September 06 From: Paris, France Member No.: 9,466 ![]() |
If he's lucky, he can get an edge point more.
And he should also cast Analyze Device on the rifle and have a machine sprite inside. |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
Because squeezing out the last bit of math to make "The Best At What I Do" is a theme in RPGs for a long time now. It has it's place, sometimes, however. I'm Sorry... I just see absolutely no use in it whatsoever...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
I'm Sorry... I just see absolutely no use in it whatsoever...(IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif) Testing for game balance. Give ideas to your group's munchkin/power gamer/rules lawyer and evaluate the result.
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
Testing for game balance. Give ideas to your group's munchkin/power gamer/rules lawyer and evaluate the result. Maybe that's the Problem... We do not care about Edge Cases in the least. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 963 Joined: 15-February 11 From: Tir Tairngire Member No.: 21,972 ![]() |
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