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 Jul 6 2011, 11:45 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437  |
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jul 6 2011, 04:40 AM)  You can't really apply RL logic to SR encryption anyways, because they flat-out told us in Unwired that all previous encryption schemes can now be broken easily. Just because. Actually because it was finally proved that P = NP and nobody was able, so far, of getting a new encryption method that doesn't use non-deterministic polynomial algorithms. |
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Jul 6 2011, 12:06 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
Not, what happened was:
QUOTE (Unwired, p. 67) Then, in 2065, a researcher at the Universität Stuttgart named Heinrich Andrews published an academic paper on a new method of attacking encryption. The paper described a technique that utilized the computational power of the latest generation of processors along with a break- through mathematical algorithm. It seemed that encryption techniques were no longer as secure as they once were. Despite attempts by various corporate and government agencies to suppress it, Dr. Andrews’s paper was circulated quickly around the Matrix shadow community. Shortly thereafter, a new generation of Decrypt programs hit the Matrix, all using the freshly dubbed “Heinrich Maneuver” to speed up cryptanalysis attacks. Research into newer and stronger encryption continues, but there have as yet been no new de- velopments. For now, at least, the days of reliable encryption are gone. In other words, Heinrich-wavium. |
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Jul 6 2011, 12:40 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Unwired, p. 67) Then, in 2065, a researcher at the Universität Stuttgart named Heinrich Andrews published an academic paper on a new method of attacking encryption. The paper described a technique that utilized the computational power of the latest generation of processors along with a break- through mathematical algorithm. It seemed that encryption techniques were no longer as secure as they once were. Despite attempts by various corporate and government agencies to suppress it, Dr. Andrews’s paper was circulated quickly around the Matrix shadow community. Shortly thereafter, a new generation of Decrypt programs hit the Matrix, all using the freshly dubbed “Heinrich Maneuver” to speed up cryptanalysis attacks. Research into newer and stronger encryption continues, but there have as yet been no new de- velopments. For now, at least, the days of reliable encryption are gone. This seems like a P=NP hint without actually going so far as to say it so people who don't know what this is will get lost, but people into computer sciences may figure it out. |
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Jul 6 2011, 12:57 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
I dunno. Proving P = NP is far, far more than just an algorithm.
I think they just decided they wanted encryption to be of limited strength, so they just handwaved it; they didn't actually pay any attention to how encryption works. |
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Jul 6 2011, 01:11 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 1,989 Joined: 28-July 09 From: Somewhere along the brazilian coast Member No.: 17,437 |
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jul 6 2011, 09:57 AM) I dunno. Proving P = NP is far, far more than just an algorithm. I think they just decided they wanted encryption to be of limited strength, so they just handwaved it; they didn't actually pay any attention to how encryption works. Well, sure, there is that whole set theory and deep mathematical stuff involved in proving it, but in the end, you do need an algorithm that actually resolves a NP problem in polynomial time. Anyway, back on topic. Guns, guns, guns. |
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Jul 6 2011, 01:15 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
You need far more "magic math" than that, since one time pads are nowhere used in the security-starved SR world. Maybe the Handwavium Maneuver can break those too?
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Jul 6 2011, 01:36 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jul 6 2011, 03:15 PM) You need far more "magic math" than that, since one time pads are nowhere used in the security-starved SR world. Maybe the Handwavium Maneuver can break those too? Well for general usage they are damn impractical. This thanks to their reversible nature, so that the distribution usually happens by either gathering in one spot or via bonded courier (a typical event in spy stories). Public key encryption have changed this, as they allow the encryption key to be different from the decryption key. This means that one can distribute the encryption key far and wide at little risk. Also, SR needs the hacker to be able to do his thing without having to turn to the group trog and tell him to apply the rubber hose all the time. With effective encryption, the role of the hacker become pointless. Still, there is the optional "dramatic encryption" on page 66 of Unwired. |
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Jul 6 2011, 02:22 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,899 Joined: 29-October 09 From: Leiden, the Netherlands Member No.: 17,814 |
Yeah, I understand that they needed to put some limits on encryption to keep hacking possible, but I'm not wild about the way they did it.
I think OTPs are great. Sure, currently they're impractical compared to public-key systems, but if public-key is truly cracked, then OTP becomes the only real solution. And that in turn is a good reason for Johnny-Mnemonic style data couriers, which I have no problems with in SR (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The current system of encryption really strikes me as lamest of all worlds.. it isn't really secure, but it's quite annoying nonetheless. If it's used right, it still makes hacking during a mission nearly impossible, but on the other hand you can't really rely on it for long-term security either. |
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Jul 6 2011, 02:39 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jul 6 2011, 04:22 PM) Yeah, I understand that they needed to put some limits on encryption to keep hacking possible, but I'm not wild about the way they did it. I think OTPs are great. Sure, currently they're impractical compared to public-key systems, but if public-key is truly cracked, then OTP becomes the only real solution. And that in turn is a good reason for Johnny-Mnemonic style data couriers, which I have no problems with in SR (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The current system of encryption really strikes me as lamest of all worlds.. it isn't really secure, but it's quite annoying nonetheless. If it's used right, it still makes hacking during a mission nearly impossible, but on the other hand you can't really rely on it for long-term security either. well if your dealing in data that have long term viability, you do not really want to transport it over a public channel in the first place (again, couriers). I suspect that all the AAAs and national agencies all maintain private networks that only make contact with the matrix at highly controlled and monitored points. What is likely to be communicated over encrypted connections are things that may have high value right now, but is virtually worthless in a short time. I think earlier edition had hard rules for paydata that would drop in value over time. |
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Jul 6 2011, 03:19 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
"While the number-field sieve is the best method currently known, there exists an intriguing possibility for a far more elegant approach. Here we would find a composition of extensions, each Abelian over the rationals, and hence contained in a single cyclotomic field. Using the Artin map, we might induce homomorphisms from the principal orders in each of these fields that z by f z. These maps could then be used to combine splitting information from all the fields…" -Sneakers, 1992
(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) -k |
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Jul 6 2011, 03:30 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
lets tech the tech with the tech (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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Jul 7 2011, 10:05 PM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
Ok, so I'm not a gun nut. but i saw the masterkey episode of Sons of Guns (i really only watch it cuz the daughter is umm, good lookin' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) But my question is, are there any technical reasons that you couldnt have the guns connected to the some trigger mechanism?
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Jul 7 2011, 11:41 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,973 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 13,526 |
QUOTE (Aku @ Jul 7 2011, 05:05 PM) Ok, so I'm not a gun nut. but i saw the masterkey episode of Sons of Guns (i really only watch it cuz the daughter is umm, good lookin' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ) But my question is, are there any technical reasons that you couldnt have the guns connected to the some trigger mechanism? Connecting them to the same trigger mechanism would require a redesign of the entire weapon system, drastically increasing the complexity of both. In doing so, it would greatly increase the probability of malfunction while offering no functional benefit. |
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Jul 8 2011, 12:20 AM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
QUOTE (DWC @ Jul 7 2011, 06:41 PM) Connecting them to the same trigger mechanism would require a redesign of the entire weapon system, drastically increasing the complexity of both. In doing so, it would greatly increase the probability of malfunction while offering no functional benefit. You consider not having to move your arm from one trigger mechanism to another "no functional difference"? |
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Jul 8 2011, 12:27 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,973 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 13,526 |
Given that you generally fire them with your reaction hand, you don't have to move your hands to use it. And I said benefit, not difference.
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Jul 8 2011, 01:17 AM
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Running, running, running Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,220 Joined: 18-October 04 From: North Carolina Member No.: 6,769 |
Well, in the episode, the breachman on the SWAT team had to switch from the shotgun trigger handle, to the m-16 (?right gun?) trigger handle, a movement of oh, 6-8 inches i'd guess
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Jul 8 2011, 01:19 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Better than shouldering and shifting to a sidearm, that's for sure.
The Masterkey system, opens every door. (Warning: Not applicable in Israel.). |
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Jul 8 2011, 01:29 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 584 Joined: 15-April 06 From: Pittsburgh Member No.: 8,466 |
I really hate it when ID10T TV teaches people about firearms, or has some local yokel SWAT guy ask for a toy cannon based on spurious tactics.
1. If you are going into a potential CQB situation a submachinegun would be preferable. 2. The guy blowing the lock should under no circumstances be the first man in. 3. For the price of this silly toy you could have had a nice short carbine with some bells and whistles instead of a heavy piece of junk. 4. Mixed caliber weapons should never have a "Death Blossom" option because one round is intended for long range and the other has no range. A real SWAT team knows all of the above, however after 9/11 the US Gov gave local townships money to have their very own SWAT Club. Need I say more. |
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Jul 8 2011, 01:34 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Explains why my hometown had a SWAT team.
... That and the sniper downtown that had the whole area evacuated except for the call centre with over a thousand employees. But that was in the building where the sniper was, so they were safe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) |
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Jul 8 2011, 01:39 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,973 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Fairfax, VA Member No.: 13,526 |
QUOTE (Aku @ Jul 7 2011, 08:17 PM) Well, in the episode, the breachman on the SWAT team had to switch from the shotgun trigger handle, to the m-16 (?right gun?) trigger handle, a movement of oh, 6-8 inches i'd guess As I'm prone to reminding people at work, one user's bad technique does not constitute a design flaw. He's misusing the equipment handed to him if he's moving his weapon hand forward to fire the breaching shotgun, and wasting movement in the process. Then again, it's Son of Guns. The mouth breathers in the shop were in awe of an idea that dates back to at least the 1980s, and the SWAT team's buyer didn't bother to look around for the nine seconds it should have taken him to discover that someone already made exactly what he was looking for. Based on that, it's no shock that they'd misuse the tool they got. |
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Jul 8 2011, 09:48 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,089 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 8 2011, 01:34 AM) Explains why my hometown had a SWAT team. ... That and the sniper downtown that had the whole area evacuated except for the call centre with over a thousand employees. Hmmm, but what do you do once the sniper is done with the "I has speshul gunz" whackers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Jul 8 2011, 09:52 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Well, considering that he had a reagular, ordinary hunting rifle (IIRC at least), ammo was easy enough to be had.
I do come from Northern Ontario, ammo is just a Canadian Tire away. |
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Jul 11 2011, 11:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Denmark Member No.: 8,995 |
QUOTE (Ascalaphus @ Jul 6 2011, 03:15 PM) You need far more "magic math" than that, since one time pads are nowhere used in the security-starved SR world. Maybe the Handwavium Maneuver can break those too? In my games, long random strings attract nasty Dissonance stuff. |
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Jul 11 2011, 06:51 PM
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The ShadowComedian Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 8 2011, 03:34 AM) Explains why my hometown had a SWAT team. ... That and the sniper downtown that had the whole area evacuated except for the call centre with over a thousand employees. But that was in the building where the sniper was, so they were safe. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif) no, because nobody gives a flying fuck about call centre agents . . |
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Jul 11 2011, 06:58 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Oh, $Deity how I know that to be true.
... Damnit, now *I* want some of those firearms in the book! |
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