I tend to agree that CGL will stick with 4th edition for a good while to come, just with all the troubles and issues, it seems the last thing they'd want to do is throw out a ton of effort that went into holding onto the license and putting out books.

SR5D20 *runs*

Indeed... And, like Fatum, I would heavily resist the "Progress" of a new Edition.

Surely this is worthy of an administrative warning? No? No single TOS element bans this? Excuse me while I go update the TOS.

Surely this is worthy of an administrative warning? No? No single TOS element bans this? Excuse me while I go update the TOS.

I fully expect to see this in the ToS within the next 10 minutes or I'm reporting this post for trolling.

Resisted by WIL + Counterspelling, if available.

What's the drain on that kind of attack? And how would you quantify the WIL of the Dumpshock forums as a collective?

Great, we're a low-end Dues.

EDIT: Or Dues if he grew up Ghetto.

I think Shadowrun needs a complete makeover.
Sure the 4ed is more streamlined but it's still full of inherited waste and very clunky.
The rules need to be purged badly. I'd prefer them to be less complex and more abstract.

MORE Abstract? Really? Hmmmmm..... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/eek.gif)

The basic rules are abstract but certain fields are too simulation-like. Depending on the archetype I'm playing I feel more like an accountant than a player.

If it was organized and consistent, I'd switch today.

I've lost track of the number of hacking threads that claim the authors didn't even understand their own rules. I've watched people argue that rules are fluff (which leaves us with entire situations that have no rules). I'm convinced that not only do I still not understand the rules, I'm convinced that not a single poster on Dumpshock understands the rules. (Though some of them will argue against that with their dying breath.)

We should not be this far into things and still not have a clue what you need to spoof, how to spoof, or why you would bother. Despite skinlinking to keep someone from ejecting your "clip", I don't think we can get two people to agree HOW a hacker actually goes through the process of getting your "clip" to eject in-combat before combat is over, even if it isn't skinlinked.

All 5th has to do to win me over is be organized and consistent, to the point where everyone understands it.

Amen.
Recoil (& compensation) and Social skill modifiers make me yearn for AD&D's (1st ed) encumbrance rules.
I enjoy hacking because it means I can go on a food run and not miss anything.

I think some people enjoy 4th ed, because it allows them to argue online and feel smarter than other people because they have the one true interpretation.

Recoil is pretty cut and dry, but it is sure as hell not simple because of the convoluted stacking rules. If you have a sling, a foregrip, and a shock pad on an Ares Alpha, how much recoil compensation do you have? No peeking at Arsenal!

Semi-Auto, Short Burst, Long Burst, or Full Auto?