 Combat Sense, Adept Power and Spell stacking? |
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 Aug 22 2011, 07:24 AM
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Neophyte Runner  Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860  |
@Tymeaus Jalynsfein
Simple: By just reading the rules and not start with an interpretation up front... @Yerameyahu Because most do not have a problem with their character beeing too good. But most have a problem with everyone beeing really bad. |
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Aug 22 2011, 12:50 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Aerospider @ Aug 22 2011, 12:03 AM)  You must be thinking of a different thread because the only quote here mentions only damage value. Other than that, in RAW I can't find any text that says to treat the stats for SnS any differently to other ammo, which is cumulative with the weapon's AP. I don't play it that way, but we were talking rules-lawyerage. If you have a quote that is explicit please do provide. Maybe... But I read the rules for SNS as replacing the complete Damage value, whcih includes the AP of the Round... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Aug 22 2011, 01:07 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 |
The problem is that Damage Value does not actually include Armor Penetration.
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Aug 22 2011, 01:11 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Dakka Dakka @ Aug 22 2011, 06:07 AM) The problem is that Damage Value does not actually include Armor Penetration. Irrelevant... The SNS round has both, and it replaces the original standard rounds used, rather than adding/subtracting. Therefore, SNS replaces both... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Aug 22 2011, 02:40 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Aug 22 2011, 02:11 PM) Irrelevant... The SNS round has both, and it replaces the original standard rounds used, rather than adding/subtracting. Therefore, SNS replaces both... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That's the only sensible way to do it, but what I/we am/are saying is it's not strictly RAW. Weapons have their own AP and it is made clear that the AP figure of the ammunition stacks with it, but it does not make clear that SnS is an exception to this. The damage value gets replaced, but again I ask, where does it say the same for the AP? |
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Aug 22 2011, 02:40 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
So, we have two options. Either you've discovered yet another Broken Rule, or you're confused and everything works as normal. Everyone has said they'd never play by the Broken version anyway, so… doesn't really matter, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Aug 22 2011, 02:54 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 22 2011, 07:40 AM) So, we have two options. Either you've discovered yet another Broken Rule, or you're confused and everything works as normal. Everyone has said they'd never play by the Broken version anyway, so… doesn't really matter, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Right... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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 Aug 22 2011, 04:20 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 22 2011, 03:40 PM) So, we have two options. Either you've discovered yet another Broken Rule, or you're confused and everything works as normal. Everyone has said they'd never play by the Broken version anyway, so… doesn't really matter, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Yep. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smokin.gif) |
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Aug 22 2011, 04:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,083 Joined: 13-December 10 From: Rotterdam, The Netherlands Member No.: 19,228 |
Isn't it great when we all just get along sometimes?
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Aug 22 2011, 04:40 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 |
QUOTE (Mardrax @ Aug 22 2011, 05:34 PM) Isn't it great when we all just get along sometimes? Lmao |
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Aug 22 2011, 04:44 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 705 Joined: 3-April 11 Member No.: 26,658 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Aug 22 2011, 03:40 PM) So, we have two options. Either you've discovered yet another Broken Rule, or you're confused and everything works as normal. Everyone has said they'd never play by the Broken version anyway, so… doesn't really matter, right? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) You kidding? That's RAW, totally what we're going to play them as in my games from now on. Unfortunately in my games SnS has already been banned, so making them more broken helps me not at all. |
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Aug 22 2011, 04:49 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Seerow @ Aug 22 2011, 10:44 AM) You kidding? That's RAW, totally what we're going to play them as in my games from now on. Unfortunately in my games SnS has already been banned, so making them more broken helps me not at all. Which is RAW, though? Replacement is RAW, but can be interpreted 2 ways, one of which makes absolutely no sense whatsoever (or is at least less intuitive). |
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Aug 22 2011, 05:34 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,236 Joined: 27-July 10 Member No.: 18,860 |
Jesus christ:
If you say the rule is that modifiers always stack unless noted otherwise the amorpenetration of stick and shock is half + armor penetration of weapon, since everything stacks unless noted otherwise. So thats the reason I brought it up. Yes, nobody would rule that way, right. So the general statement about stacking is bullshit too. It should stack if it is reasonable to assume it does. There are no rules about stacking or not stacking in the book. |
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Aug 22 2011, 05:39 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (Irion @ Aug 22 2011, 10:34 AM) Jesus christ: If you say the rule is that modifiers always stack unless noted otherwise the amorpenetration of stick and shock is half + armor penetration of weapon, since everything stacks unless noted otherwise. So thats the reason I brought it up. Yes, nobody would rule that way, right. So the general statement about stacking is bullshit too. It should stack if it is reasonable to assume it does. There are no rules about stacking or not stacking in the book. Heh... Just so we are clear.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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