I agree that the world as described in the books isn't as dystopic as it used to be. Mind you, I remember in 1990, when SR1 was released, there were people showing how the pollution would destroy the world in 2000. And Shadowrun was that future. Now, Shadowrun is still today's future but the world has changed. Some call it post-cyberpunk. It might make a little more sense in some areas to the cost of flavor.

But I still think the GM has enough leeway to interpret what's said in the books in a way that will make the world as dystopic as it used to be. In my alternate Attitude book I'm trying to describe a world that is dystopic but still makes sense and doesn't clash too much with established canon.

I'd rather eat soy than something fungus-infected (ergot poisoning is no joke) grown by an amateur farmer on best Redmond earth (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

as long as you have a mage near by that can do clean element(earth/water/air) all is good.

I chuckled, thanks.

Non-Soil Based Hydroponics.

It's not just for Mary Jane any longer! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Won't help you against pollutants in the air and water, plus their are a breeding ground for fungi and bacteria (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
http://abcnews.go.com/Health/coli-outbreak...ory?id=13812166


People tend to forget that "natural" does not equate "healthy", especially if done by amateurs with good intentions.

Dog poop is all natural, but you won't see me eating it.

You show me something that's unnatural and I'm sure someone will be willing to give you a prize for it.
Depleted uranium is just as natural as a beaver dam, after all.
This silly human arrogance of seeing ourselves and what we do as separate from nature confuses me.

Rutherfordium? Dubnium? Seaborgium?

None of them are naturally occurring anywhere in the universe.

Maybe you haven't seen me post too much, but I'm actually smarter than that. I was using the conventional term for everyone else's benefit. "Natural" or "Organic" in this context means that no hard pesticides or chemical treatments have been done to the plants.


Einsteinium?

When we make them, they are created through a part of nature, through a natural process, and are thus natural. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

Naturally... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

So coca cola is natural by that reasoning?

Anywhere that we have been able to get information from. for all we know "Dark Matter" could contain these and more elements.



Nothing is natural about that drek, no matter how you twist it.

So, I pick up the ball, and throw it to Naturally?

My favourite example for ridiculing the natural=good, "chemical"=bad faith is the chloride-based chemical preservative found in nearly every food

But BTT, I just had an idea concerning the sleazy fixers: Most runners who are just starting out will have some seedy thug as their fixer. And once they have some experience under their belt, who is the guy they can trust from experience?

Rutherfordium specifically has a half life of under 6 hours, so no, Dark Matter can't contain it (the "it emits radioactive particles" kind of precludes it from the "neither emits nor scatters radiation" definition).

Rutherfordium is also really, really dense, being Element #104, so probably hasn't been around since the dark ages of the universe.

Last week?

Except that those chemicals ARE actually bad for you in the long run. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

True. Look at Diet Pepsi vs. Pepsi. The sugar replacement in diet pepsi has fewer calories, but the aspertame is more likely to cause cancer after a few (10-20) years.

Exactly.

A few friends of mine worked at a bread factory (NOT bakery!) and the stuff they were dumping into the mixing vats were labeled with so many warnings that they stopped shopping at the big grocery stores and started at the local bakery.

It's also one of the things I love about Winnipeg, a lot of locally-made goods are here. Food prices are a bit more than they were back home, but I'm pretty sure my bread isn't about to give me cancer faster than D20.

Always a nice thing to know. However, I prefer to not throw out my bread every day, as I will never eat a full loaf.

It's largely composed of carbon compounds, so it's "organic".

Arsenic is "Organic" and "All Natural" as well. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)