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post Oct 12 2011, 04:21 AM
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Alright, so the age old problem with social skills, is the issue of role playing vs roll playing. On the one hand side steopping the conversation and just hurling the dice feels pretty lame.

But on the other hand you don't neccessarily want to make a character with strong social skills impossible to play by your charisma one player. It's not like you look across the table and tell someone they're too much of a little wuss to play a troll street sam.

I'm thinking that maybe a way to get this to work is to treat social skills a bit more like perception. On an initial roll maybe you feed the character some juicy tidbits (photo of the security guards wife is turned away on his desk, there is lipstick on his collar, and it matches the shade worn by his secretary), and then beat them with the cluebat a few times so captain oblivious can actually pull this off and feel slick the way the twippy player gets to have fun with his sammy.

Anybody tried something like this?

Think it might work well?

And perhaps more importantly, any particularly good ideas for things to feed the face? This will obviously be harder than just having the players shoot people, and it'd help to have a handy pile of ideas to pull out of my rear as they come up.
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- sunnyside   Making social skills work : social skills as perception   Oct 12 2011, 04:21 AM
- - Stalag   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 11 2011, 11:21 PM)...   Oct 12 2011, 04:49 AM
- - Glyph   I think in addition to clues, the face character...   Oct 12 2011, 07:26 AM
- - suoq   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 11 2011, 11:21 PM)...   Oct 12 2011, 05:05 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (suoq @ Oct 12 2011, 01:05 PM) High...   Oct 12 2011, 05:22 PM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 12 2011, 12:22 PM) ...   Oct 12 2011, 05:40 PM
- - Paul   I wouldn't use this rule at my table, as we...   Oct 12 2011, 05:18 PM
- - Mardrax   Rollplay: the type of play that arises from the (m...   Oct 12 2011, 05:32 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   If a player doesn't have the personal ability ...   Oct 12 2011, 06:45 PM
- - Glyph   I wouldn't make a face character play out all ...   Oct 13 2011, 01:37 AM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Glyph @ Oct 12 2011, 08:37 PM) I w...   Oct 13 2011, 04:26 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 13 2011, 12:26 PM)...   Oct 13 2011, 04:40 PM
|- - Glyph   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 13 2011, 09:26 AM)...   Oct 14 2011, 02:04 AM
- - Whipstitch   Whenever my players want to do something really mu...   Oct 13 2011, 01:52 AM
- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Glyph @ Oct 12 2011, 03:26 AM) I t...   Oct 13 2011, 02:03 AM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 12 2011, 08:03 PM)...   Oct 13 2011, 02:16 AM
- - Udoshi   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 11 2011, 09:21 PM)...   Oct 13 2011, 02:40 AM
- - Shortstraw   Character ability vs player ability needs to be ha...   Oct 13 2011, 02:58 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Shortstraw @ Oct 12 2011, 10:58 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 04:06 AM
- - Ol' Scratch   That entire post is just one huge contradiction. ...   Oct 13 2011, 04:35 AM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 13 2011, 12...   Oct 13 2011, 02:40 PM
- - Midas   I think social skills are one of the most misunder...   Oct 13 2011, 05:50 AM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 13 2011, 12:50 AM) I t...   Oct 13 2011, 04:29 PM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Oct 13 2011, 04:29 PM...   Oct 14 2011, 05:44 AM
- - Boxymoron   A lot of what you people are debating is what the ...   Oct 13 2011, 07:48 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I agree: a good way to characterize the flow of so...   Oct 13 2011, 04:48 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2011, 12:48 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 04:59 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's okay, we're just as bad at 'rea...   Oct 13 2011, 05:19 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2011, 01:19 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 05:35 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   The question is: Did his character have the appro...   Oct 13 2011, 05:48 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 13 2011, 01...   Oct 13 2011, 06:02 PM
|- - Boxymoron   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2011, 12:02 PM) ...   Oct 13 2011, 06:42 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Boxymoron @ Oct 13 2011, 02:42 PM)...   Oct 13 2011, 07:05 PM
||- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2011, 02:05 PM) ...   Oct 13 2011, 07:10 PM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 13 2011, 03...   Oct 13 2011, 07:11 PM
||- - Midas   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2011, 07:11 PM) ...   Oct 14 2011, 06:31 AM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 14 2011, 02:31 AM) If ...   Oct 14 2011, 02:01 PM
|- - Ol' Scratch   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2011, 12:02 PM) ...   Oct 13 2011, 06:56 PM
|- - CanRay   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2011, 01:02 PM) ...   Oct 13 2011, 11:55 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Right. Which is indeed cheating. I'm not sure...   Oct 13 2011, 06:01 PM
- - Yerameyahu   But what is your point? 'Some people know how...   Oct 13 2011, 06:41 PM
- - Whipstitch   The thing is, by merely choosing what kind of Char...   Oct 13 2011, 06:57 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   I honestly have no idea why you're having so m...   Oct 13 2011, 07:13 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Ol' Scratch @ Oct 13 2011, 03...   Oct 13 2011, 07:17 PM
- - Yerameyahu   The point is, I daresay, that you're already s...   Oct 13 2011, 07:17 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2011, 03:17 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 07:33 PM
- - Ol' Scratch   Yes, and when a GM describes a combat situation, y...   Oct 13 2011, 07:20 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Leadership, probably. I still think you're wro...   Oct 13 2011, 07:37 PM
- - Draco18s   I still disagree, but I'm going to stop trying...   Oct 13 2011, 07:51 PM
|- - thorya   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 13 2011, 02:51 PM) ...   Oct 14 2011, 05:57 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm sorry that you're giving up, because I...   Oct 13 2011, 07:54 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2011, 03:54 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 07:56 PM
|- - suoq   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2011, 01:54 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 10:41 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (suoq @ Oct 13 2011, 06:41 PM) They...   Oct 13 2011, 11:34 PM
- - Yerameyahu   That's a new and different problem from what I...   Oct 13 2011, 07:59 PM
- - Draco18s   I'm learning, obviously. But I find asynchron...   Oct 13 2011, 08:02 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I'm glad to hear that. A good GM and group sho...   Oct 13 2011, 08:09 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 13 2011, 04:09 PM...   Oct 13 2011, 08:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Still, my point is merely that all skills are the ...   Oct 13 2011, 11:50 PM
- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Oct 13 2011, 11:29 AM...   Oct 14 2011, 04:00 AM
|- - Midas   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 14 2011, 04:00 AM)...   Oct 14 2011, 05:58 AM
|- - Tymeaus Jalynsfein   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 13 2011, 10:00 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 03:10 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 13 2011, 11:00 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 03:27 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It's a metaphor, not an exact comparison. Ther...   Oct 14 2011, 02:28 PM
- - Yerameyahu   It depends on what you mean. Facing is the most fu...   Oct 14 2011, 03:20 PM
- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 14 2011, 01:44 AM) The...   Oct 14 2011, 05:02 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 14 2011, 01:02 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 05:17 PM
- - Whipstitch   I'm not sure I've ever been in an SR4 grou...   Oct 14 2011, 05:05 PM
- - Paul   And that's just the character we think of as t...   Oct 14 2011, 05:17 PM
- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 14 2011, 02:31 AM) in ...   Oct 14 2011, 05:20 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 14 2011, 12:20 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 05:22 PM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 14 2011, 12:20 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 05:48 PM
- - Paul   I'm not sure I can seriously look at "Dic...   Oct 14 2011, 05:23 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 14 2011, 12:23 PM) I...   Oct 14 2011, 05:27 PM
||- - Paul   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 14 2011, 01:27 PM) ...   Oct 14 2011, 05:35 PM
||- - Midas   QUOTE (Draco18s @ Oct 14 2011, 05:27 PM) ...   Oct 15 2011, 04:12 AM
||- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Midas @ Oct 14 2011, 11:12 PM) As ...   Oct 15 2011, 03:03 PM
|- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 14 2011, 01:23 PM) I...   Oct 14 2011, 05:34 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 14 2011, 01:34 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 05:36 PM
- - Yerameyahu   QUOTE I'd differentiate between facing and RPi...   Oct 14 2011, 05:26 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Draco18s: Ding ding, what is 'having a high di...   Oct 14 2011, 05:39 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 14 2011, 01:39 PM...   Oct 14 2011, 05:41 PM
- - Yerameyahu   I also apologize for being a little nutty this mor...   Oct 14 2011, 05:47 PM
|- - Paul   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 14 2011, 01:47 PM...   Oct 14 2011, 05:58 PM
- - Yerameyahu   sunnyside, I don't agree. You're not ...   Oct 14 2011, 05:54 PM
- - thorya   So sunnyside and Draco18s, I'm not sure if thi...   Oct 14 2011, 06:18 PM
- - Paul   Thorya thanks! I'll be looking through tha...   Oct 14 2011, 06:24 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Paul @ Oct 14 2011, 01:24 PM) Thor...   Oct 14 2011, 07:48 PM
- - sunnyside   QUOTE (Whipstitch @ Oct 14 2011, 01:48 PM...   Oct 14 2011, 09:23 PM
|- - Whipstitch   QUOTE (sunnyside @ Oct 14 2011, 04:23 PM)...   Oct 14 2011, 11:28 PM
- - Yerameyahu   … You tell him the many ways you can imagine...   Oct 14 2011, 10:11 PM
- - Glyph   I think what interested me most about the original...   Oct 15 2011, 01:57 AM
- - Yerameyahu   I agree with that; there's the smell of mind c...   Oct 15 2011, 02:16 AM
- - sunnyside   I feel like we're sort of talking past each ot...   Oct 15 2011, 04:00 AM
- - Yerameyahu   sunnyside: Yes, that's the 'mind control...   Oct 15 2011, 04:18 AM
- - Glyph   The biggest problem with social skills is that the...   Oct 15 2011, 06:13 AM
- - Yerameyahu   So leave it out. It's optional; he was giving ...   Oct 15 2011, 03:04 PM
|- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2011, 10:04 AM...   Oct 15 2011, 03:09 PM
- - Yerameyahu   Weak *RP*, though. Just like 'I power attack f...   Oct 15 2011, 03:15 PM
- - Draco18s   QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Oct 15 2011, 10:15 AM...   Oct 15 2011, 03:16 PM
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