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post Nov 22 2011, 07:00 PM
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War, good for capitalism as long as the factories are not in the zone. This because it results in a massive destruction of material that is saturating the commercial pipelines. This has been a problem ever since the aftermath of WW1, where the tycoons found themselves with production capacity way beyond what the need focused population could "consume". So from then on, they have wages a continual campaign to make people think in a want rather then need way. And when they found that this resulted in ongoing wage claims, eating up their profit margins, they swapped to easy credit. And now that has saturated in the population in debt and printed a whole mess of on-books currency (every loan is a deposit, and every deposit is basically money).
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post Nov 22 2011, 07:02 PM
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It starts with Germany and France invading Greece this time?
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post Nov 22 2011, 08:07 PM
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Nah, why would they when they have gotten right-wing (even fascist) politicians into power unelected? Politicians that will protect the corporate profits and the debt repayments above all else?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Shock_Doctrine

http://thoughtmaybe.com/video/the-shock-doctrine/
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post Nov 22 2011, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 22 2011, 03:02 PM) *
It starts with Germany and France invading Greece this time?
France: "Wait, this war isn't going to be fought here for once? 'BOUT DAMNED TIME! Now, where's my wine?"
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post Nov 23 2011, 09:39 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 14 2011, 05:17 AM) *

Sorry, no native speaker: what does it mean? What it says or is it just a wording, standing for something else?
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post Nov 23 2011, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Nov 23 2011, 05:39 AM) *
Sorry, no native speaker: what does it mean? What it says or is it just a wording, standing for something else?
I believe it's a old Wild West saying meaning "Draw your pistols and prepare for a fight." (It might just be from John Wayne, however. Either way, it's a damn good line.).

Back when revolvers couldn't be reloaded in the middle of a fight, most people carried two of them, shooting their six shots (or five if they didn't trust having a loaded chamber, as there were no safeties in those days) with their primary hand, then dropping it and switching their off hand pistol to their primary hand. This gave them twelve shots (or ten if they were careful, for the reason given above) before they had to switch to their knife if the fight was still going on.

And that brings us to why Jim Bowie invented the knife that carries his name.

And far, far away from Japan. Despite their love for Westerns. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Nov 23 2011, 04:15 PM
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QUOTE (Machiavelli @ Nov 23 2011, 04:39 AM) *
Sorry, no native speaker: what does it mean? What it says or is it just a wording, standing for something else?

"Fill your hands" means, "Draw your weapon and fight." It is a stereotypical phrase from old-style Western movies.

Edit: D'oh. Ninja'ed.
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post Nov 23 2011, 04:27 PM
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Fear my 1337 ninja powers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif)

EDIT: It helped that I GMed Deadlands: Weird West. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Nov 24 2011, 04:23 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 23 2011, 11:15 AM) *
I believe it's a old Wild West saying meaning "Draw your pistols and prepare for a fight." (It might just be from John Wayne, however. Either way, it's a damn good line.).

Back when revolvers couldn't be reloaded in the middle of a fight, most people carried two of them, shooting their six shots (or five if they didn't trust having a loaded chamber, as there were no safeties in those days) with their primary hand, then dropping it and switching their off hand pistol to their primary hand. This gave them twelve shots (or ten if they were careful, for the reason given above) before they had to switch to their knife if the fight was still going on.

And that brings us to why Jim Bowie invented the knife that carries his name.

And far, far away from Japan. Despite their love for Westerns. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)


Don't forget the limitations compared today of trying to reload a lever action rifle, as well.
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post Nov 24 2011, 04:32 PM
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QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ Nov 24 2011, 12:23 PM) *
Don't forget the limitations compared today of trying to reload a lever action rifle, as well.
It was easier to load a Lever-Action than a Muzzle-Loader. Or a Colt Peacemaker. At least the Lever-Action ejected the brass when it fired. The Peacemaker had to eject each spent brass casing before you could load in another one. This was in the days before swing-out cylinders, folks! Smith & Wesson had a Break-Open revolver that was faster loading, but you had to be more careful with buying ammo. Not all .45s were the same back then. (Standardization of Ammunition didn't really happen until NATO/Warsaw Pact. And I highly doubt it survived the Megas starting to put out their own firearms.).

Compare it to changing a belt of ammo by yourself while under fire today. And that's with a pistol that only got 6-shots or a rifle that got 15. Not a fun thing to do while outgunned.

And that's with cartridges. Muzzle/Cylinder-loading Cap & Ball Rifles and Pistols were even slower.

So, if your 'Runners ever needs to infiltrate a Western Reenactment, you now know a bit more, and, of course, who to ask for info. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Nov 24 2011, 04:57 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 21 2011, 01:21 AM) *
Watch Europe start the Eurowars soon as economies fall apart and debts come due. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

Unlikely because was are expensive. As long as youre not donig the fighting you make money but it causes alsorts of dislocation of ther economy. In WW2 until the US came in, it was makingm oiney hand over fist but Britain was being bankrupted.

After WW1 Germany was in such a bad shape because Britain and France had run up big debts in the war and wanted someone else to pay them, this was especailly true of France leading to the vindictive terms at Versaille that led directly to the rise of nazi'ism.
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post Nov 24 2011, 06:42 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 24 2011, 12:32 PM) *
It was easier to load a Lever-Action than a Muzzle-Loader. Or a Colt Peacemaker. At least the Lever-Action ejected the brass when it fired. The Peacemaker had to eject each spent brass casing before you could load in another one. This was in the days before swing-out cylinders, folks! Smith & Wesson had a Break-Open revolver that was faster loading, but you had to be more careful with buying ammo. Not all .45s were the same back then. (Standardization of Ammunition didn't really happen until NATO/Warsaw Pact. And I highly doubt it survived the Megas starting to put out their own firearms.).

Compare it to changing a belt of ammo by yourself while under fire today. And that's with a pistol that only got 6-shots or a rifle that got 15. Not a fun thing to do while outgunned.

And that's with cartridges. Muzzle/Cylinder-loading Cap & Ball Rifles and Pistols were even slower.

So, if your 'Runners ever needs to infiltrate a Western Reenactment, you now know a bit more, and, of course, who to ask for info. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


I think anyone who wants to do wild west role playing should go participate in a Cowboy Action blackpowder shooting event. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Nov 24 2011, 06:45 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Nov 24 2011, 01:32 PM) *
It was easier to load a Lever-Action than a Muzzle-Loader. Or a Colt Peacemaker. At least the Lever-Action ejected the brass when it fired. The Peacemaker had to eject each spent brass casing before you could load in another one. This was in the days before swing-out cylinders, folks! Smith & Wesson had a Break-Open revolver that was faster loading, but you had to be more careful with buying ammo. Not all .45s were the same back then. (Standardization of Ammunition didn't really happen until NATO/Warsaw Pact. And I highly doubt it survived the Megas starting to put out their own firearms.).

Compare it to changing a belt of ammo by yourself while under fire today. And that's with a pistol that only got 6-shots or a rifle that got 15. Not a fun thing to do while outgunned.

And that's with cartridges. Muzzle/Cylinder-loading Cap & Ball Rifles and Pistols were even slower.

So, if your 'Runners ever needs to infiltrate a Western Reenactment, you now know a bit more, and, of course, who to ask for info. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


Because knowing is half the battle.
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post Nov 24 2011, 07:20 PM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 24 2011, 02:45 PM) *
Because knowing is half the battle.
The other half, BTW, is violence.
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post Nov 24 2011, 09:56 PM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Nov 24 2011, 05:57 PM) *
Unlikely because was are expensive. As long as youre not donig the fighting you make money but it causes alsorts of dislocation of ther economy. In WW2 until the US came in, it was makingm oiney hand over fist but Britain was being bankrupted.

After WW1 Germany was in such a bad shape because Britain and France had run up big debts in the war and wanted someone else to pay them, this was especailly true of France leading to the vindictive terms at Versaille that led directly to the rise of nazi'ism.

Not often i comment on someones writing but i found myself wondering if you where drinking...
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post Nov 24 2011, 11:30 PM
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Not nearly enough, why do you ask?
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post Nov 25 2011, 12:35 AM
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QUOTE (hobgoblin @ Nov 24 2011, 06:56 PM) *
Not often i comment on someones writing but i found myself wondering if you where drinking...


Perhaps, but so "where" you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)
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post Nov 25 2011, 12:36 AM
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DumpShock the Drinking Game?
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post Nov 25 2011, 12:39 AM
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QUOTE (Brazilian_Shinobi @ Nov 25 2011, 01:35 AM) *
Perhaps, but so "where" you? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Oh thank you very much.
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