Udoshi, I did not 'leave out' information. My whole point was specifically that the rules seem to leave out that option, and I very clearly stated so.

I'm sorry if it wasn't you who suggested that Stirrup allowed vehicle armor on animals, but *someone* did, and it is crazy. My point was that the argument they used was 'the book says X is treated as Y', which is the argument you used. It's the argument I was discrediting, and it's your fault for using it. I must have remembered the person wrong, and yes, you do have a history of proposing some extremely dubious 'rules-based tactics'. But I think we're even, because you're been quite falsely accusing me of ignorance and misinformation here, when I've been nothing but up-front about my *interpretation* and my reasoning.

Hey all - what book is this aug in? I don't remember reading about articulated arms anywhere..?

P. 43 Augmentation

Man and Machine had them too.
Also, there are, or at least were, weapon mounts that are basically like the Predators shoulder cannon.

Ah right p.43 cheers. Yeah I reckon you could put a pilot in one... which is awesome - free shots basically. Freakish, but cool for a "cyber and proud" character.

Either that, or someone that's read too many "War Machine" comics. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

This is why people need to look at the rules for things before screaming for help.



Articulated arms aren't a specific item. Several things within the system say they are - gyroharnesses in the core book, for example. The specific examples being discussed are cyberlimb Weapon Mounts. As people have mentinoed, they are in Augmentation(page 43)

In SR3, there was a distinction between articulate weapon arm mounts and the normal weapon mounts i think.

What sort of distinction? Fluff or crunch?

Both i think.
I am at work right now, no access to books.

Anyone who has an Articulated Weapon Arm should also have a Select Sound Filter and Cyberear Dampener... that LMG will be fired right next to your head.

That said, I´m in the "full smart firing platform" camp. The ability to fire remotely can be used by a Pilot. An External Mount on the arm will require that you point your arm at the target, so that the Pilot can aquire it´s targets. The unresolved is the effect of uncompensated recoil if you yourself to something else than shooting. Hacking should not be hindered, but stuff requiring fine motor control should.

Or turn off your cyberaudio system. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) Who needs hearing when you're going to be Target Number 2/3. (Depends on if you're the Ork with the Big Gun or some other Metatype. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) ).

There were self-aiming weapon mounts in SR3 aside from the articulated weapon arm too.
Basically the Predators Shoulder-Cannon-Mount.
But there were also not self aiming Weapon-Mounts that you could have that always pointed into one single direction.

You can always put suppressors or silencers on the weapon as well.

Sweet.

So when do we get a magnetic lock system that lets us absorb and incorporate nearby machinery & weapons into our chassis pretty much at-will?

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-k

No Obliterators for you!

I was more referring to War Machine's ability to do this during the Dark Reign story arc.

Here he's absorbed a tank and a couple other military vehicles.

Here he's absorbing parts of a fighter jet after he blew it up.



-k

When they incorporate nanite-integration magnetic systems into powered armour. After they invent infantry-proof (Well, Air Force-Proof in the case of War Machine. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ) powered armour. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)