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post Feb 26 2012, 04:48 AM
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QUOTE (Mercer @ Feb 26 2012, 12:44 AM) *
(And I think it helps no one can say, "Well in the real world, magic works like this.")

Ah, that'll be my second best bit of advice: If any one of your players ever says "Well in the real world computers work like this" put a very quick stop to it, for that way madness lies. Running the Matrix is taxing enough as it is without having to square everything with some guy's twenty-year-old degree. If they need justification for what will seem to them to be blatant disregard for the laws of possibility remind them that SR computing is sixty years on and the global infrastructure has been rebuilt twice and that this is enough to consider it to be a very different animal.
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post Feb 26 2012, 07:04 AM
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QUOTE (Aerospider @ Feb 25 2012, 09:48 PM) *
Ah, that'll be my second best bit of advice: If any one of your players ever says "Well in the real world computers work like this" put a very quick stop to it, for that way madness lies. Running the Matrix is taxing enough as it is without having to square everything with some guy's twenty-year-old degree. If they need justification for what will seem to them to be blatant disregard for the laws of possibility remind them that SR computing is sixty years on and the global infrastructure has been rebuilt twice and that this is enough to consider it to be a very different animal.

SR is trying to emulate how computers work in the books of a guy who had never used a computer, knew nothing about them and wrote his books with a manual typewriter in the mid 80s. (I didn't even write a 2 page paper on an electric typewrite in the 80s, I walked to the library and waited to use their mac until I could afford a cheap IBM clone.) It pretty much makes no sense to anyone who hasn't felt compelled to write a couple of novels using a manual typewriter. Even in the game the whole series of worldwide disasters caused by crappy computer security every decade or two has only resulted in a huge monstrously expensive overhaul designed to make the entire system being even less secure.

It doesn't make any sense and attempting to compare it to a real computer system just leads to madness.
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post Feb 26 2012, 03:05 PM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 26 2012, 12:04 AM) *
SR is trying to emulate how computers work in the books of a guy who had never used a computer, knew nothing about them and wrote his books with a manual typewriter in the mid 80s. (I didn't even write a 2 page paper on an electric typewrite in the 80s, I walked to the library and waited to use their mac until I could afford a cheap IBM clone.) It pretty much makes no sense to anyone who hasn't felt compelled to write a couple of novels using a manual typewriter. Even in the game the whole series of worldwide disasters caused by crappy computer security every decade or two has only resulted in a huge monstrously expensive overhaul designed to make the entire system being even less secure.

It doesn't make any sense and attempting to compare it to a real computer system just leads to madness.


I would say it makes perfect sense, as long as you ignore real world computing. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Feb 26 2012, 03:29 PM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Feb 26 2012, 08:04 AM) *
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It doesn't make any sense and attempting to compare it to a real computer system just leads to madness.

The horrors are in the machines! http://www.goominet.com/unspeakable-vault/vault/11/
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Hey let me show you this powerpoint presentation on LTA products that Charles Stross gave me. He said it's extremely convincing and will change you forever. ...
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post Feb 27 2012, 01:48 PM
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https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...R1NDOE8wS1pHUnc

Made this myself a while ago

its a list of all matrix actions in the game... should help you wrap your head around the limits and how certain things function
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post Feb 28 2012, 07:03 AM
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Thanks wraith. This will help a lot.
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post Feb 28 2012, 07:43 AM
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QUOTE (Tanegar @ Feb 25 2012, 10:13 PM) *
There are ethical concerns in Shadowrun?


Of course there is.

Always make sure that you are paid BEFORE shooting people in the face.

Good Business Ethics
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post Feb 28 2012, 05:13 PM
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QUOTE (Wraith235 @ Feb 27 2012, 01:48 PM) *
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...R1NDOE8wS1pHUnc

Made this myself a while ago

its a list of all matrix actions in the game... should help you wrap your head around the limits and how certain things function


I think, if possible, your Matrix speadsheet scares me MORE than the Matrix (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

Seriously though, it's bookmarked.
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post Feb 28 2012, 05:21 PM
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QUOTE (Wraith235 @ Feb 27 2012, 05:48 AM) *
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key...R1NDOE8wS1pHUnc

Made this myself a while ago

its a list of all matrix actions in the game... should help you wrap your head around the limits and how certain things function


That was you? Cool!

This got linked on /tg/ a while back.
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post Feb 29 2012, 04:43 PM
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just noticed the double
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QUOTE (TwoDee @ Feb 28 2012, 01:21 PM) *
That was you? Cool!

This got linked on /tg/ a while back.


yup that was a 5 day process to create it

and it was annoying !!!!

the Docs Formatting was a pain in the Kiester

if your gonna print it pay attention to the parenthetical title of it those are the settings needed to print it successfully

is /tg/ Tre'Grisby ? if so I am very thankful for his/her assistance in hosting it - Unfortunatly it seems like that site is gone

Arron also was hosting it as well and he has my Hacker cards that I made based on his Idea
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post Mar 1 2012, 11:42 PM
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QUOTE (Wraith235 @ Feb 29 2012, 08:48 AM) *
yup that was a 5 day process to create it

and it was annoying !!!!

the Docs Formatting was a pain in the Kiester

if your gonna print it pay attention to the parenthetical title of it those are the settings needed to print it successfully

is /tg/ Tre'Grisby ? if so I am very thankful for his/her assistance in hosting it - Unfortunatly it seems like that site is gone

Arron also was hosting it as well and he has my Hacker cards that I made based on his Idea


/tg/ is 4chan's traditional games board. Like the rest of 4Chan, it's mostly trash, but occasionally you can eke some good Shadowrun threads out of the WH40K and D&D circlejerk.
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post Mar 2 2012, 12:48 AM
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QUOTE (TwoDee @ Feb 25 2012, 11:18 AM) *
Any system above a sprawl gang is going to have drones slaved to the security node, admittedly, be it a security rigger's implanted commlink or a spider nexus. Therefore, when I'm running missions for my team, I typically don't worry about the Matrix stats of drones, since any rigger or security force worth its salt is already going to have all of the drones slaved.


If you have these drones flying about all the time, that's just the perfect opening for a real hacker to take over your entire network...

Trace the master node, then slow-hack the security network, make yourself a permanent backdoor, and then lay low and wait until you need it. Then when the time comes and you need to shut down all the drones fast, run a script that tells all drones to go into standby with their wireless on, or even better copy your admin account to them, then unslave/unsubscribe them. Then "simply" throw out the real admin and wait until the security rigger/spider shuts down the node. At that moment the drones are all yours.

At least, this is theoretically possible, I'm not sure how hard it is. Maybe there are also smarter things to do.
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post Mar 2 2012, 02:55 AM
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Slow hack takes hours in VR, days in AR. Not exactly a viable option if said drones happen to be armed and are actively trying to shoot you.

Also, it depends on how actively smart the other guy is. While it's theoretically possible, it shouldn't happen very often to the smart hacker/rigger. I already posted some countermeasures in my first post in this thread (running in hidden mode when possible, Decrypt & ECM/ECCM software, IC, etc) that should be like S.O.P. for any tech oriented character.
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post Mar 2 2012, 11:30 AM
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QUOTE (TwoDee @ Mar 1 2012, 06:42 PM) *
/tg/ is 4chan's traditional games board. Like the rest of 4Chan, it's mostly trash,


I dont know if I should be honored ... or horrified by that because I guarantee ..... I have / want nothing to do ... whit that particular group

a favorite quote of a friend of mine - 4chan ... where the internet goes to die
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