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QUOTE (snowRaven @ Mar 8 2012, 01:19 AM)  I like that last option. A 'beat-the-magic-out-of-them-camp' that brings back mundane drug addict burn-outs to the families - under the guise of it being 'anti-magic medicine' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) I'm someone somewhere would be in-line to make a fair wee pack of nuyen from those drug sales huh? Especially now they are hooked.... |
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Mar 8 2012, 04:01 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 159 Joined: 12-June 06 Member No.: 8,703 |
QUOTE (Tanegar @ Mar 6 2012, 04:36 AM) American fundies wield their Christianity like a hammer. I think it's wielded more a like 4x4 with rusty spikes in it. |
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Mar 8 2012, 06:34 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
And add in another note for the "burning out the magic" camp: the people behind it would emphasize, that, just like a disease, you have to catch it quickly, before it develops, if there's any chance of a "cure." i.e. before their Magic attribute increases beyond 1 or 2; beyond that, the amount of Essence they need to deplete to get their Magic down to 0 increases that much more. Which means that there's a time crunch for the PCs...
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Mar 8 2012, 07:14 AM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
QUOTE (bibliophile20 @ Mar 8 2012, 01:34 AM) And add in another note for the "burning out the magic" camp: the people behind it would emphasize, that, just like a disease, you have to catch it quickly, before it develops, if there's any chance of a "cure." i.e. before their Magic attribute increases beyond 1 or 2; beyond that, the amount of Essence they need to deplete to get their Magic down to 0 increases that much more. Which means that there's a time crunch for the PCs... Um... I thought that essence loss only dropped your maximum Magic. Like, if you had 6 Essence and you only had 1 Magic, you could lose four Essence without losing any Magic, and still be able to increase Magic to 2. Still a dickish thing for a parent to do. I imagine that Awakened characters would be especially outraged. I should spring this one on my MagicRun players. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Mar 8 2012, 10:39 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Mar 8 2012, 08:14 AM) Um... I thought that essence loss only dropped your maximum Magic. Like, if you had 6 Essence and you only had 1 Magic, you could lose four Essence without losing any Magic, and still be able to increase Magic to 2. Nope - it drops both. |
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Mar 8 2012, 02:43 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
Wow, that's such bullshit.
Anyway, though, it wouldn't work though, would it? If you're Awakened and still have a maximum Magic stat somewhere above 0, you should be able to buy it up again. |
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Mar 8 2012, 03:51 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Mar 8 2012, 07:43 AM) Wow, that's such bullshit. Why? |
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Mar 8 2012, 05:02 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
Yeah, I gotta agree with TJ. Essence loss as written is one of the few restraining things that keep a mage from utterly dominating; if Essence and Magic loss didn't decrease in step, then min-maxing gets even easier.
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Mar 8 2012, 06:13 PM
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Horror Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 |
QUOTE (Tymeaus Jalynsfein @ Mar 8 2012, 10:51 AM) Why? Because it's brutally punishing for no reason whatsoever. You shouldn't lose Magic unless your maximum Magic falls below your current Magic. |
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Mar 8 2012, 06:21 PM
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Old Man Jones Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 |
No, there's a reason.
Shadowrun has ALWAYS made you choose between means of augmenting yourself. You either do it with Magic, or you do it with Machine. Try to mix the two and it hurts. This is deliberate. You pay, hard, for having the best of both worlds. -k |
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Mar 8 2012, 06:29 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Having the best of both worlds involves selling your soul to the Corporation and becoming a Cyberzombie. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)
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Mar 8 2012, 10:09 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
QUOTE (ShadowDragon8685 @ Mar 8 2012, 07:13 PM) Because it's brutally punishing for no reason whatsoever. You shouldn't lose Magic unless your maximum Magic falls below your current Magic. No it isn't, and the reason is mages are very powerful as is. Yes you should. Only exception you can have is if you start with 'Latent Awakening' and 5 points worth of Augmentations. If you were playing a previous edition, you'd also have to roll for magic loss if you took a deadly wound, with an increasing risk of loss the higher your magic was. Be thankful that this is now an optional rule. |
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Mar 8 2012, 10:10 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 8 2012, 07:29 PM) Having the best of both worlds involves selling your soul to the Corporation and becoming a Cyberzombie. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif) An adept turned cyberzombie, if I may. Initiate once, and stock up on powerful Infusion foci (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Mar 9 2012, 03:28 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 775 Joined: 31-March 05 From: florida Member No.: 7,273 |
QUOTE (Troyminator @ Mar 8 2012, 12:01 AM) I think it's wielded more a like 4x4 with rusty spikes in it. now now thats only in the south, we use that and we use the horse shoes in the satin glove approach. personally i'm not a fundie, but I have a tendacy to scripture bust those that are, and i'mnot even christian |
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Mar 9 2012, 08:57 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
QUOTE (warrior_allanon @ Mar 9 2012, 04:28 PM) now now thats only in the south, we use that and we use the horse shoes in the satin glove approach. personally i'm not a fundie, but I have a tendacy to scripture bust those that are, and i'mnot even christian Fundies usually don't have as good a grasp on scripture as they think... |
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Mar 9 2012, 09:41 PM
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Prime Runner Ascendant Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 |
QUOTE (snowRaven @ Mar 9 2012, 01:57 PM) Fundies usually don't have as good a grasp on scripture as they think... Too True... |
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Mar 10 2012, 04:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,180 Joined: 22-January 07 From: Rochester, NY Member No.: 10,737 |
QUOTE (snowRaven @ Mar 9 2012, 03:57 PM) Fundies usually don't have as good a grasp on scripture as they think... Agreed. Told one of several examples that I've personally encountered upthread. |
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Mar 10 2012, 06:13 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (snowRaven @ Mar 9 2012, 04:57 PM) Fundies usually don't have as good a grasp on scripture as they think... They can pray for God's Mercy right damned quick, let me tell you!
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