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 Mar 12 2012, 05:05 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli  Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282  |
In fairness, inhabitation by a malevolent spirit was the 'classical' explanation for everything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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Mar 12 2012, 05:09 PM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 12 2012, 12:05 PM)  In fairness, inhabitation by a malevolent spirit was the 'classical' explanation for everything. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) "We beat him to death to get the devil out of him."
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Mar 12 2012, 05:31 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Works every time!
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Mar 12 2012, 06:46 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Grinder @ Mar 12 2012, 05:38 PM) Really? Never heard of that before (not saying that you're wrong, though). Do you think the whole "lycanthropy virus" thing came up before people even knew there were contagious diseases, let alone what caused the contagion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Mar 12 2012, 07:02 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Leaving aside the 'virus' aspect, contagious diseases aren't *that* new. And we tend to mash lots of distinct legends together; no reason that every 'bestial (wolf) man thing' is even the same.
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Mar 12 2012, 07:18 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
Yeah.
Just like there are a whole slew of different vampire-themed legends from around the world, there are a whole slew of wolfman-themed legends - and the two are mashed together in many places as well. |
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Mar 12 2012, 07:37 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 12 2012, 08:02 PM) Leaving aside the 'virus' aspect, contagious diseases aren't *that* new. Do you have any idea how long it took to convince surgeons to wash their hands? If diseases were not caused by some flying spaghetti monster it was "bad blood" or miasmas. Invisible things on our hands which make people sick? C'mon, be serious... |
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Mar 12 2012, 07:42 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
I didn't say germ theory, I said contagious. Victims of leprosy, poxes, and plagues were certainly shunned (rightly or wrongly) at many points in history. Even in recent times, people are afraid they'll get AIDS, cancer, or (obviously not a disease) homosexuality from touching people. And surely the bite of the werewolf is a popular (if not fundamental) aspect of the legends?
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Mar 12 2012, 08:11 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 386 Joined: 27-February 12 From: Nebraska, USA Member No.: 50,732 |
Not to mention the very real and proven mental condition known as Lunacy, a periodic form of insanity that was once thought to be brought on by phase changes in the moon. Instances of people going insane and sometimes brutaly murdering people when the moon is full, only to have no recolection of it afterwords. These mixed with the oh so brilliant legends and mans inevitable attempts to come up with a explanation for everything served to propagate the lore.
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Mar 12 2012, 08:34 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,379 Joined: 16-April 02 From: the LI shadows Member No.: 2,607 |
THREE pages, and NO-ONE has done the Mel Brooks reference yet? *facepalm*
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Mar 12 2012, 09:20 PM
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Great, I'm a Dragon... Group: Retired Admins Posts: 6,699 Joined: 8-October 03 From: North Germany Member No.: 5,698 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 12 2012, 07:46 PM) Do you think the whole "lycanthropy virus" thing came up before people even knew there were contagious diseases, let alone what caused the contagion? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) I was thinking of curses as explanation, not evil possessing spirits. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Mar 12 2012, 09:25 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Mar 12 2012, 08:42 PM) I said contagious. And as asinine as it may sound, it took centuries for people to get that idea. Sick people emanated bad fumes, helping somebody who incurred the wrath of god made the boss angry (analogous if the sickness was caused by witchcraft), dead bodies developed a "corpse toxin" (well, that belief still lasts)... QUOTE And surely the bite of the werewolf is a popular (if not fundamental) aspect of the legends? Nope, at least in the werewolf trials which went hand in hand with the witch hunts that idea seems totally absent. You could involuntarily become a wolf if born under the wrong star or whatever, but contagious werewolf bites are a modern theme -- probably from vampire stories, if you ask me. |
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Mar 12 2012, 09:36 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 12 2012, 10:25 PM) Nope, at least in the werewolf trials which went hand in hand with the witch hunts that idea seems totally absent. You could involuntarily become a wolf if born under the wrong star or whatever, but contagious werewolf bites are a modern theme -- probably from vampire stories, if you ask me. Not quite sure how old it is, but yeah - there are places were wolfman legends and vampire legends are connected. Even vampires didn't necessarily make other vampires when they killed - it depends on which legends you go by. There's a lot of different versions... |
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Mar 12 2012, 10:32 PM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Neat, Sengir. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I still think the idea that 'evil is communicable' is pretty old, though.
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Mar 13 2012, 12:59 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
There's that, I'm gonna call it a disease for simplicity's sake, which makes people grow hair everywhere. I always thought that was one of the causes of the werewolf legends.
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Mar 13 2012, 02:07 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 |
QUOTE (CanRay @ Mar 12 2012, 09:09 AM) "We beat him to death to get the devil out of him." Don't we still do that for furries? |
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Mar 13 2012, 02:12 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
Furries don't count. Besides it's for their own good.
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Mar 13 2012, 02:13 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
Bullying is socialization.
Misanthropy is virtue. |
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Mar 13 2012, 02:22 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 |
You say that until a grown ass man who's dressed like a dog comes up and starts humping your leg. Are furries the precursors to shifters?
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Mar 13 2012, 02:28 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 |
No, I say that because it's accurate. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)
The purpose of bullying is to bring outliers in line with the norm. Meanwhile, the essence of virtue is to fight ones own nature. Not necessarily related thoughts. They just both bubbled up at the same time. |
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Mar 13 2012, 02:35 AM
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Advocatus Diaboli Group: Members Posts: 13,994 Joined: 20-November 07 From: USA Member No.: 14,282 |
Ah, but it's not mis *anthropy*.
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Mar 13 2012, 05:03 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
QUOTE (Saint Sithney @ Mar 12 2012, 09:13 PM) Bullying is socialization. I ever have a child that's bullied, that's going to be my defense argument when I bully right back.EDIT: They're *NOT* going to grow up to be me. |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:15 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 |
QUOTE (Angelone @ Mar 13 2012, 03:22 AM) You say that until a grown ass man who's dressed like a dog comes up and starts humping your leg. Are furries the precursors to shifters? Only one way to find out, test if they regenerate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) |
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Mar 13 2012, 01:54 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 386 Joined: 27-February 12 From: Nebraska, USA Member No.: 50,732 |
QUOTE (Sengir @ Mar 13 2012, 07:15 AM) Only one way to find out, test if they regenerate (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ----Ooops......shouldnt have used the silver headed walking stick....my bad. |
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Mar 13 2012, 07:44 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,665 Joined: 26-April 03 From: Sweden Member No.: 4,516 |
QUOTE (VykosDarkSoul @ Mar 13 2012, 02:54 PM) ----Ooops......shouldnt have used the silver headed walking stick....my bad. no, no...you did good! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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