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mister__joshua
post Jul 10 2012, 08:08 AM
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Here for those who haven't seen it already. Personally I think it looks awesome. Like the style very much. Not too sure about the Orks but I'll get used to it

Looks promising

Enjoy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:31 AM
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QUOTE (mister__joshua @ Jul 10 2012, 10:08 AM) *
Here for those who haven't seen it already. Personally I think it looks awesome. Like the style very much. Not too sure about the Orks but I'll get used to it

Looks promising

Enjoy (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Damn, it took me far too long to understand your thread title. I was like "What? Who are they returning it to?", "What does that even mean? Shadowrun is returning Art? Huh?" ..

After my brain worked properly though, I particularly enjoy the skyline with the Renraku building.
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:35 AM
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Love the art, except the orks.

Orks have never been green in Shadowrun, I hope Jordan puts his feet down here, and make it "Shadowrun in 2050" instead of "Warhammer/Warcraft in 2050".

I'll make a commet on the page, and hope that they see how many complaints there are about the green orks.
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post Jul 10 2012, 09:00 AM
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The game draws heavily from the SNES games, where orks were green too.
But I hope they'll change that for this one.
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post Jul 10 2012, 10:04 AM
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QUOTE (Amazeroth @ Jul 10 2012, 09:31 AM) *
...I particularly enjoy the skyline with the Renraku building.


Me too. It's my new desktop background (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Jul 10 2012, 10:28 AM
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I actually really, really dig these concepts. Way better than what I thought they'd look like.

Agreed on the orks; it's cool to leave them with green skin, but make it an option, not a default. I especially love the one with the wolf head though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The jaws need to be fixed too, now that I look at them. The teeth are too spaced out and jagged, and they need their tusks.

However, prime troll there. That's the way to make 'em look. Let's hope for some troll girls too, they need better representation.
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post Jul 10 2012, 10:40 AM
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QUOTE (ravensmuse @ Jul 10 2012, 11:28 AM) *
I actually really, really dig these concepts. Way better than what I thought they'd look like.

Agreed on the orks; it's cool to leave them with green skin, but make it an option, not a default. I especially love the one with the wolf head though (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) The jaws need to be fixed too, now that I look at them. The teeth are too spaced out and jagged, and they need their tusks.

However, prime troll there. That's the way to make 'em look. Let's hope for some troll girls too, they need better representation.


The teeth and face/general appearance was the first thing I noticed before even the green skin. I expected them to be more human looking. I'm so used to seeing green-skinned orks that I completely skipped over that in my assessment of it. Scrolling down though it does indeed seem like there have been many complaints about the orks...
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post Jul 10 2012, 11:43 AM
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I agree on the orks but remember this is concept art. I do really like the indian looking shoulder-plate. Reminds me of alaskan indian art.
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post Jul 10 2012, 07:28 PM
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The orks made me sad....

Also, I think that the Arcology looks too sloped in that skyline pic - it needs to be steeper imo.
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:18 PM
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QUOTE (Larsine @ Jul 10 2012, 04:35 AM) *
I'll make a commet on the page, and hope that they see how many complaints there are about the green orks.


Please take care to reinforce (negatively) the behavior of coloring orks green, not sharing concept art with us.
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:34 PM
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QUOTE (Larsine @ Jul 10 2012, 03:35 AM) *
Love the art, except the orks.

Orks have never been green in Shadowrun, I hope Jordan puts his feet down here, and make it "Shadowrun in 2050" instead of "Warhammer/Warcraft in 2050".

I'll make a commet on the page, and hope that they see how many complaints there are about the green orks.


I already yelled at them. HBS response was "Those responsible for the green orks have been sacked" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And I'll make sure to reinforce it next weekend if we get the chance to visit HBS while I'm in Seattle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:41 PM
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Drool
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:41 PM
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QUOTE (Bull @ Jul 10 2012, 04:34 PM) *
I already yelled at them. HBS response was "Those responsible for the green orks have been sacked" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And I'll make sure to reinforce it next weekend if we get the chance to visit HBS while I'm in Seattle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Otherwise those responsible for sacking those who were supposed to be sacked will be sacked?
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post Jul 10 2012, 08:51 PM
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i like them.
and as for orks being green in shadowrun:
Dorfs, Orks and Trolls come in all kinds of earthly colour tones.
dark/leaf-green, brown, black and the normal human skin colours.
elves in shadowrun come in all kinds of pastel colours to almost translucent in addition to the normal human skin colour tones.
and then there is still albinism, mutation and SURGE. Hell, even Bioware and Genware will make your skin into different colours.

seriously people, please don't tell me you are okay with half a ton living weight in 3m tall muscle packages as long as the skin colour is not green . .


skyline kinda reminds me a bit of this one:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3284/4596965...07ec0f837_b.jpg
and damn it, i just noticed that flickr cropped it <.<

two more from the old SRO Project:
http://farm5.staticflickr.com/4048/4596349...5bff1ab43_z.jpg
http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1365/4596965...f278600d8_b.jpg
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post Jul 10 2012, 11:12 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 10 2012, 08:51 PM) *
seriously people, please don't tell me you are okay with half a ton living weight in 3m tall muscle packages as long as the skin colour is not green . .

That is sorta a verbatim description of trolls, though.
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post Jul 10 2012, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE (Krishach @ Jul 11 2012, 01:12 AM) *
That is sorta a verbatim description of trolls, though.

which is, basically, my entire point . .
people are okay with:
magic.
Orks.
Trolls
Dorfs
Elves.
BUT DON'T YOU DARE MAKE THEM GREEN! @.@
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post Jul 11 2012, 12:06 AM
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The problem is... They're not green. <shrug>

Orks and Trolls are simply people. Which means they're people colored. You can have black trolls and native american trolls and asian trolls and pasty-white "Never been out of the basement" trolls. And I can accept some degree of darker skin, even when not entirely appropriate.

But they're not funky colors, because... Well... they're not.

And more important... Green Skin Orks end up looking like Warhammer orks or D&D orks, which Shadowrun orks most definitely are not.

Orks and Trolls are people too. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

(Now, nanotattoos and skindyes are a whole other subject. You can HAVE your oddly colored character if you really want, but... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) )
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post Jul 11 2012, 05:17 AM
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Do you guys seriously want to "discuss" the orc issue? What the hell? I really am flabbergasted, how keen to "debate" some people are, however unimportant the topic may be.
Green is not the default color of an orc in Shadowrun, therefor people complain, because for them it does not look right. That's it, I saved you a lot of time and energy, there isn't really much to talk about. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Jul 10 2012, 10:51 PM) *
skyline kinda reminds me a bit of this one:
http://farm4.staticflickr.com/3284/4596965...07ec0f837_b.jpg
and damn it, i just noticed that flickr cropped it <.<

Can you tell me, where this picture is from, please?


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post Jul 11 2012, 06:35 AM
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QUOTE (Bull @ Jul 11 2012, 02:06 AM) *
And more important... Green Skin Orks end up looking like Warhammer orks or D&D orks, which Shadowrun orks most definitely are not.

D&D Orks were never green to begin with. In the original D&D description they were pink to brown (just like humans?) with pigs snouths and pointed teeth.

The green color first appeared after Warhammer had it's influence.
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post Jul 11 2012, 07:49 AM
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Green Orc/Orks in warhammer make "sense" after all. They are part fungus (or plant depending on the current fluff), so green makes a sort of sense.
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post Jul 11 2012, 08:48 AM
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QUOTE (Amazeroth @ Jul 11 2012, 07:17 AM) *
Do you guys seriously want to "discuss" the orc issue? What the hell? I really am flabbergasted, how keen to "debate" some people are, however unimportant the topic may be.
Green is not the default color of an orc in Shadowrun, therefor people complain, because for them it does not look right. That's it, I saved you a lot of time and energy, there isn't really much to talk about. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Can you tell me, where this picture is from, please?

The killed off by M$ SRO Project.
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post Jul 11 2012, 09:33 AM
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Scenery looks nice, but the character art...dafuq? Did the art direction say "Japanese influences" and the artist read that as "anime", or is that the style we've got to expect? And what it with the orks' teeth, is that the new straight outta Mordor chic?
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:22 AM
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Green Orks are only avail 4 and 1,500 nuyen from SR reality.

I could totally see green biopigmentation as an ork pride thing.
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this is totally awesome, I had no idea that Shadowrun Returns was even a thing. In the kickstarter video, he talks about re-acquiring the license, does that mean that the whole license for Shadowrun is back in his hands?
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post Jul 11 2012, 10:36 AM
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QUOTE (Sengir @ Jul 11 2012, 05:33 AM) *
Scenery looks nice, but the character art...dafuq? Did the art direction say "Japanese influences" and the artist read that as "anime", or is that the style we've got to expect? And what it with the orks' teeth, is that the new straight outta Mordor chic?

I'm gonna quote you and I'm sorry but I saw this complaint on that page as well.

I've never been a fan of when people go off on things for being too "anime". Just because something is stylized a certain way, and there are Japanese influences to their work, that does not make it immediately anime. You're not going to be seeing giant gag boobs and Hello Kitty popping out of shit and lots of WAIIII!! Or anything.

This is concept work, and with that you're going to get a certain level of stylization. Personally, the art did a lot to convince me to give the game a shot; if it ended up being Yet Another Game that uses the palette of brown, black, white and grey, I'd skip it, despite what else I liked about it. Using those colors and calling it "gritty" is the worst thing to ever happen to concepts, video games, and other related media.

(If you ask me, I thought it was very Jamie Hewlett inspired - especially Smoke Break)

Besides, these are concept images - if you'd like, I can pull up images from many different video games and show you how things can change between concept and final presentation.
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