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StealthSigma
post Aug 16 2012, 08:37 PM
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QUOTE (X-Kalibur @ Aug 16 2012, 04:14 PM) *
I always forget about muffle. I'm curious as to how you're casting flames on yourself. Are you talking about fireball? Or is there something silly like aiming straight down with flames hurts you?


I don't think it's cast on you.
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post Aug 16 2012, 10:33 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 16 2012, 09:04 AM) *
The first half is in plain English, extolling Dawnguard's bang-for-your-buck based on how much content it adds.

What's not to understand?


Let's see....

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Not only the Dawnguard-or-Vampire quest chain


And I care, because?

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not only the fun opportunity to own THREE Elder Scrolls at once (!!)


This means...?

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... but also the Aetherium quest line,


WTF is Aetherium. This English word is not one I recognize.

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culminating in a choice of three very special items (I especially like the circlet - having TWO guardianstones at once is just too awesome to pass up, IMO).


And they do what, exactly?

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Falmer...Chauus Hunters...Thu'um


Again, with the English words.
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post Aug 17 2012, 12:51 AM
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Something to keep in mind. Skyrim is not a game that you "win" in the traditional sense. Even after you beat the main story line you can keep playing. So the quests and such listed above are just more things that you can do while playing the game.

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The English words above are proper nouns, names of people, creatures, and quest chains.
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post Aug 17 2012, 03:53 AM
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QUOTE (DMiller @ Aug 16 2012, 08:51 PM) *
The English words above are proper nouns, names of people, creatures, and quest chains.


Actually, they're adjectives in the context that you used them.
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post Aug 17 2012, 03:58 AM
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Aug 16 2012, 08:09 AM) *
I dislike your mod because it can be done anywhere. If it were restricted to say outdoors areas and towns I would have a lot less problem with it. In that sense, it becomes a mod that eliminates pointless grind of fast traveling from dungeon entrance to town over and over. It's basically a pointless exercise that doesn't cause any additional danger to the PC but rather just wastes time.

If it could only be used outdoors, then .... you'd have the pointless grind of shuttling all that loot to the dungeon entrance. Back and forth, back and forth, trudging the sme hall, stairs, and chambers a dozen times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I did it all fair and legit the first time through - and popped Alduin at the end, too. Now, on my fourth and fifth playthroughs? I'm tired of that sort of tedium. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 16 2012, 05:33 PM) *
And I care, because?

First off, "don't care" is not the same as "don't understand".

Second off, I pointed out that there's actually quite a lot of content and features packed into Dawnguard - making it a pretty good value for it's price, as DLC go. I thought you might care about those details.

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This means...?

Um ... exactly what it says: yu get to have THREE Elder Scrolls - the incredibly powerful and rare artifacts, after which the entire franchise is named.

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WTF is Aetherium. This English word is not one I recognize.

Stop being an obtuse asshole. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Skyrim is a fantasy game; the names of specific places, materials, people, etc - yes, NAMEs, as in Pronouns - are generally made-up.

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And they do what, exactly?

The circlet allows you to benefit from two Guardian Stones at the same time.

The shield turns enemies ethereal for 15 seconds when they're bashed by it - so they can't hurt you for a brief while. Good if facing a crowd, perhaps.

The staff summons a dwemer construct - the Spiders, I think, though maybe a Sphere is possible too - at the spot you're targeting. That construct then fights on your side, for 60 seconds.

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Again, with the English words.

Again, with the "being a dick for the sake of being a dick".

Look, I've been trying to HELP you, and all you can muster as a response is to be an asshole ...?
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post Aug 17 2012, 04:30 AM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 17 2012, 12:10 AM) *
Second off, I pointed out that there's actually quite a lot of content and features packed into Dawnguard - making it a pretty good value for it's price, as DLC go. I thought you might care about those details.


Not really. It's a game that I have no intention of finishing the main quest, why would I double-down on it?

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Um ... exactly what it says: yu get to have THREE Elder Scrolls - the incredibly powerful and rare artifacts, after which the entire franchise is named.


WTF is an "elder scroll"? Sorry to be so obtuse but has it occured to you that I haven't actually given half a thought to the series prior to a month ago?

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Stop being an obtuse asshole. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/mad.gif) Skyrim is a fantasy game; the names of specific places, materials, people, etc - yes, NAMEs, as in Pronouns - are generally made-up.


Mhm. They are made up.
I still don't know what they mean. What I was pointing out that they were not plain English as you casually insulted me by saying as such. Every single qualifier was preceded by a made-up noun-used-as-an-adjective. I have no idea how good or useful wargfarble armor is.

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The circlet allows you to benefit from two Guardian Stones at the same time.


I meant the guardian stones. I have no idea what one is or what it does, or why I'd want two of them.

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Again, with the "being a dick for the sake of being a dick".

Look, I've been trying to HELP you, and all you can muster as a response is to be an asshole ...?


You're the one trying to sell me on an expansion pack after indicating that I had little interest in the base game.

To sum up the conversation:

Me: I regret paying $30 for Skyrim
You: Buy the expansion! It's well worth it for $30! It has wargfarble armor!
Me: What the hell is wargfarble armor?
You: You're an obtuse asshole
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post Aug 17 2012, 05:54 AM
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QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 17 2012, 12:30 AM) *
WTF is an "elder scroll"? Sorry to be so obtuse but has it occured to you that I haven't actually given half a thought to the series prior to a month ago?

So, wait. You expect me to explain every little tiny fecking detail ...??

Google. Use it.

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I still don't know what they mean. What I was pointing out that they were not plain English as you casually insulted me by saying as such. Every single qualifier was preceded by a made-up noun-used-as-an-adjective. I have no idea how good or useful wargfarble armor is.

You cherry-picked a few unfamiliar pronouns as being non-English.

After having claimed you didn't understand a single word of what I had posted.

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I meant the guardian stones. I have no idea what one is or what it does, or why I'd want two of them.

Oh for fuck's sake. While running from Helgen to Riverwood - you know, from "the place the dragon turned into rubble" to "the first intact town in the game" - you come across three of them and the NPC still attached to you at the hip explains what they are. It's part of what is essentially the tutorial for Skyrim.

What the hell were you doing during that process .... sleeping?

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To sum up the conversation:

Me: I regret paying $30 for Skyrim
You: Buy the expansion! It's well worth it for $30! It has wargfarble armor!
Me: What the hell is wargfarble armor?
You: You're an obtuse asshole

No, that is not at ALL how this has gone. Try this on for size:

You: "I'm not going to pay $30 for an expansion to a game that I paid $30 for. " (this is an exact quote, word for word)
Me: *lists several possible reasons why you might consider changing your mind*
You: "Totally didn't understand a world of that. " (again, this is an exact quote, word for word)
Me: "I posted in plain English. What's not to understand?"
You: *cherry-picks a few pronouns to whinge about*
Me: "Grow up" (praphrase)
You: "No!" *stomps his little foot* (paraphrase)
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post Aug 17 2012, 06:19 AM
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You both need to cool it or you're just going to bring the mods down. I get why you're frustrated, Pax, but using ad hominem and excessive vulgarities doesn't make your point stronger.

That out of the way, outside of using something like the Build Your Own Game mod (which is neat, honestly) I would kill *cough* for a faster way to level destruction. Conjuration and Alteration always feel terribly easy to level and for restoration you can sit on an arrow trap and use healing until the cows come home. Meanwhile, destruction feels like it levels as slowly as an armor skill. Which is to say - very.
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post Aug 17 2012, 06:59 AM
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@Pax,
It seems you are very frustrated with Skyrim as a game. If this is the case I would recommend that you place it on a shelf for a little while and maybe come back to it once you have released your anger towards it.

Being a spell caster is one of the harder starting "classes" (I know it's a classless game) in the game. I found a light armor wearing, stealth archer using one-handed weapons for CQB (close quarter battle) to be one of the easiest setups to play. You are slow moving using stealth everywhere, but you are safer (mind you not actually safe, just safer). Using this tactic you also abuse the IAs very short attention span, but it is easy to play.

I'm currently on my second play-through and enjoying it as much this time as I did the last. I do wish you luck in your game (if you choose to continue to play).

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post Aug 17 2012, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 16 2012, 11:58 PM) *
If it could only be used outdoors, then .... you'd have the pointless grind of shuttling all that loot to the dungeon entrance. Back and forth, back and forth, trudging the sme hall, stairs, and chambers a dozen times. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

I did it all fair and legit the first time through - and popped Alduin at the end, too. Now, on my fourth and fifth playthroughs? I'm tired of that sort of tedium. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Like I said, my issue is mostly to do with the fact that it bypasses the encumbrance mechanic which does have an impact on combat. Encumbrance is not something that matters when fast traveling. It is something that matters when moving through a dungeon.

I am fully aware that you would still need to haul all the loot you want to the entrance.
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post Aug 17 2012, 01:32 PM
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QUOTE (DMiller @ Aug 17 2012, 01:59 AM) *
Being a spell caster is one of the harder starting "classes" (I know it's a classless game) in the game.


I am currently (thanks to someone reminding me i had the game! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ) on my 2nd playthrough, no expansions, and as a mage it is hard as hell to start, but once you get going...cause monsters to stagger every time you dualcast destruction, make them light on fire and run around screaming in fear with fire spells, or dusting them with lightning? is awesome stuff! Running around with no armor as of right now, the better for alteration spells, etc.
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post Aug 17 2012, 03:37 PM
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I dunno, I started as a two-handed weapon brute and have very little of the difficulty that Draco is describing.

And I haven't really leveled ranged attacks much, either bow or spell. I can count on my hands the number of times I was in a ranged-only fight. Even with dragons, I just run around avoiding fire til they land, then go to town on them. And they always eventually land.

My skills are pretty much in two-handed weapons, armor, and blacksmithing. Oh, and lockpicking/stealth, cos I rob just about everyone blind without them noticing.

Level 16 now and I've died maybe three times.



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post Aug 17 2012, 05:28 PM
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QUOTE (DMiller @ Aug 17 2012, 02:59 AM) *
@Pax,
It seems you are very frustrated with Skyrim as a game.

Um ... no? It's not the game I have a problem with. In fact, I <3 it very much; I'm at 218 hours played, and will possibly be at ~225 by this time tomorrow.

... it's Draco18s I'm frustrated with.





QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Aug 17 2012, 07:37 AM) *
Like I said, my issue is mostly to do with the fact that it bypasses the encumbrance mechanic which does have an impact on combat.

... not if you're depositing piles of loot in convenient, easily-remembered containers before becoming encumbered in the first place. Which is what I always did, prior to that mod.

Then I'd have to go through the whole thing again, backwards (where possible), collecting the contents of each cache, and slowly dragging the load to a container just inside the entrance (since rarely is there a convenient container OUTSIDE the entryway). And then, trip by trip, load by load, endure load screen after load screen to get that loot home. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

And it really is a LOT of staring at load screens. One to leave the location, one to fast travel, one to enter a home; then, again to leave the home, again to fast travel, again to enter the location and gt the next load of loot. Six load screens each way ... and sometimes eight or ten trips just for "the GOOD stuff" (armor, jewels, ingredients, weapons, scrolls, potions, craftig goods, and any odds and ends with at least a 5:1 value:weight ratio). O_o

So, instead of walking twenty paces to X chest or Y burial urn to make a cache of loot, I summon the Secret Stash. No more slowly hauling piles of loot to the door. No more thirty-to-sixty load screens. Just done, and done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 17 2012, 06:08 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 17 2012, 01:28 PM) *
... not if you're depositing piles of loot in convenient, easily-remembered containers before becoming encumbered in the first place. Which is what I always did, prior to that mod.

Then I'd have to go through the whole thing again, backwards (where possible), collecting the contents of each cache, and slowly dragging the load to a container just inside the entrance (since rarely is there a convenient container OUTSIDE the entryway). And then, trip by trip, load by load, endure load screen after load screen to get that loot home. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

And it really is a LOT of staring at load screens. One to leave the location, one to fast travel, one to enter a home; then, again to leave the home, again to fast travel, again to enter the location and gt the next load of loot. Six load screens each way ... and sometimes eight or ten trips just for "the GOOD stuff" (armor, jewels, ingredients, weapons, scrolls, potions, craftig goods, and any odds and ends with at least a 5:1 value:weight ratio). O_o

So, instead of walking twenty paces to X chest or Y burial urn to make a cache of loot, I summon the Secret Stash. No more slowly hauling piles of loot to the door. No more thirty-to-sixty load screens. Just done, and done. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Really? That's how you did it? That's an excessive amount of effort. Whenever I was near my encumbrance limit, I ran to the door dumped my loot on the ground, then continued on. Of course, this is usually only ever a problem with dungeons that contain bandits or other humanoids since it's weapons and armor that typically throw you over the limit.
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post Aug 17 2012, 06:49 PM
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Things dropped on the ground are (a) a pain to pick back up, and sort through, when trying to maximise how much each load taken "home" weighs ... and (b) have an IMO unacceptible risk of being "lost" by the computer - falling through the world, despawning, etc. The only safe place for something is in a container (or on a weapon rack, shield rack, or mannequin in a player-home).
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post Aug 17 2012, 08:20 PM
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On the topic of starting mages, raise zombie is pretty easy to get early on (I think it's in the Riftwood store), and once raised, the zombies can be used for target practice with whatever weapon you choose.
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post Aug 17 2012, 09:10 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 17 2012, 01:54 AM) *
You: "I'm not going to pay $30 for an expansion to a game that I paid $30 for. " (this is an exact quote, word for word)


And I've explained that I paid $30 for it because it was on sale, that I was not willing to pay more than $30 for it, and that I regretted the decision:

QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 15 2012, 12:22 PM) *
Yep. I pretty much only buy games on Steam sales these days.

And still regret half of them.

QUOTE (almost normal @ Aug 15 2012, 12:34 PM) *
I got Civ 5 off the summer sale. Played it for 5 minutes and never again.

QUOTE (Draco18s @ Aug 15 2012, 12:39 PM) *
Skyrim here.


Or did you forget that half of the conversation?
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Level 9 (half way to 10)
Destruction 20
Restoration 24 (1 skill point)
Heavy Armor 26 (1 skill point)
Block 26
One-handed 32 (2 skill points)
Sneak 26 (1 skill point)
Lockpicking 29 (2 skill points)
Smithing 18 (1 skill point)

All my armor is steel, except shield which is iron. Total 96 armor.

Ancient Nord Bow + Arrows
Scimitar


Alright, lets start with getting you better armor. I assume you're going to stick with heavy, so I'll direct you to a better set. Go to Markarth. Once in the city, enter the palace. Now you have two choices: to your right is a museum with a full set of dwarven armor you can steal(a bit difficult to do). Or to your left is a door to some dwarven ruins(get the key of the dark elf mage at the nearby enchanting altar). If you invest a perk in dwarven armor smithing you can gather some dwarven junk from the ruins, bring it to the smelter back in town and melt it down into dwarven ingots. You can then smith yourself a full set of dwarven armor and weapons. The dwarven junk you need to collect is very heavy, however, so go in with a very light pack.
**Note, in the elder scrolls series Dwarven=Dwemer, in case you get confused.

Now, if you want to give your new gear a test run, leave Markarth through the main gate and follow the path straight. On your right you'll soon see a mining camp, with a discussion happening outside. Talk to the orc and you'll get the option to clear out his mine. It can get a little tough, but it is a gold mine. So bring a pick axe for extra profit. The 'boss' of the mine is a powerful mage(called a briarheart i believe). If you're feeling sneaky, you can pickpocket a briarheart(an alchemy ingredient. Pretty useful) off of him. This will actually kill him without any combat(since you literally end up ripping out his heart).
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QUOTE (Dr.Rockso @ Aug 17 2012, 05:41 PM) *
**Note, in the elder scrolls series Dwarven=Dwemer, in case you get confused.


Yeah, I picked up that much from my friends already.

In any case, I'll try that.
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In other news, if you want a better bow, theres a goon in the ratway under Riften with an orcish bow. If you want a better, elven bow you can go to Aela's room in the Companions guild house in Whiterun. She has one in a locked display case(i think the pick difficulty is hard or expert)
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QUOTE (Dr.Rockso @ Aug 17 2012, 05:41 PM) *
If you invest a perk in dwarven armor smithing you can gather some dwarven junk from the ruins, bring it to the smelter back in town and melt it down into dwarven ingots. You can then smith yourself a full set of dwarven armor and weapons. The dwarven junk you need to collect is very heavy, however, so go in with a very light pack.

Of course, Dwarven Smithing isn't easy to get in itself. You'll need to build up your smithing skill somewhat.

This can be made easier, without being unreasonable or "cheat-ish" IMO, if you get the mod "Smeltdown" ... hmm, lemme find a URL for you ... aha: http://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=11056

This makes a lot more things smelt-able (which by rights should be smeltable). ESPECIALLY dwemer "junk", but also, weapons and armor can be rendered down into a portion of the materials needed to make them. If you come up with a pile of iron, and a stack of leather strips? Make iron daggers all day long, and build that Smithing skill up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Which can and will give you level increases in the process, too.

Once you've got Dwarven Smithing, you can make tons of money smelting that dwemer junk down and making stuff from it. Dwarven Bows seem to be the most-frugal option. Make a bunch, reforge them to make them even better, then sell them. When you run low on dwemer ingots, just find a new dwemer ruin and spend a few in-game days vacuuming out everything smeltable in it, and start at the top again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Aug 21 2012, 01:47 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 20 2012, 03:36 PM) *
Once you've got Dwarven Smithing, you can make tons of money smelting that dwemer junk down and making stuff from it. Dwarven Bows seem to be the most-frugal option. Make a bunch, reforge them to make them even better, then sell them. When you run low on dwemer ingots, just find a new dwemer ruin and spend a few in-game days vacuuming out everything smeltable in it, and start at the top again. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


Don't most dungeons reset monsters/loot/chest after 7 IG days?
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QUOTE (StealthSigma @ Aug 21 2012, 08:47 AM) *
Don't most dungeons reset monsters/loot/chest after 7 IG days?

You can burn through a pile of even hundreds of ingots in a matter of a couple in-game hours. And I say it's better to go empty a SECOND dungeon of loot, than to sit on your hands for 5 or 6 in-game days waiting for the FIRST one to restock.
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Aug 21 2012, 10:26 AM) *
You can burn through a pile of even hundreds of ingots in a matter of a couple in-game hours. And I say it's better to go empty a SECOND dungeon of loot, than to sit on your hands for 5 or 6 in-game days waiting for the FIRST one to restock.


It takes maybe a minute to accelerate 7 days.
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