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post Feb 11 2013, 01:01 PM
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If it weren't for Patrick being all confirmatory I would just have assumed that Bull was being his usual devious self and try to stir something up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Feb 11 2013, 01:37 PM
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No arguing here, something is happening to FastJack. In Dirty Tricks he is almost outright accused of not being able to get his shit together. Whether it's caused by old age or by something more menacing is yet to be seen, but my bet is that Jack would be around for some time at least. It's open secret now that in fifth there will be decks and deckers again, in one of the hidden fictions Jack mentions that he made some hardware for hackers to run the new matrix. The obvious conclusion is that decks would be hand-made, at least for the time being, and Jack is one of the guys to hand them to hackers.
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post Feb 11 2013, 01:39 PM
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As far as I understand, Leonization fixes your body, but not your mind.

There's a clear distinction between the two?

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post Feb 11 2013, 01:45 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Feb 11 2013, 02:39 PM) *
There's a clear distinction between the two?


http://lmgtfy.com/?q=Psychophysical+parallelism

Of course, this question is pretty much answered in a game where your mind can leave your physical body and travel to neighboring realities made out of thoughts.
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post Feb 11 2013, 01:51 PM
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Dementia is a disease of the brain, not the aura (not even in Shadowrun).
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post Feb 11 2013, 01:52 PM
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Fastjack is - in a way - the "narrator" of SR4.
Him not being able to get his shit together is a metaphor of the way the SR4 line has gone. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Feb 11 2013, 01:58 PM
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Well put, Blade. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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post Feb 11 2013, 02:06 PM
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QUOTE (Lionhearted @ Feb 11 2013, 07:01 AM) *
If it weren't for Patrick being all confirmatory I would just have assumed that Bull was being his usual devious self and try to stir something up (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

That possibility still exists. It's a game about double-crosses and drek like that. I could be lying. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Feb 11 2013, 02:10 PM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Feb 11 2013, 05:39 PM) *
There's a clear distinction between the two?

Augmentation has Leonization, Lifespan Extension and Physical Vigor as three separate treatments. Leonization specifically states that it revert physical age to ~21 years (which is rather strange as physical prime is more likely around 25-27), while Physical Vigor treats 'felt age' and other 'side-effects of ages'.
Of course none of them seem to cure any diseases, which are the case of senility. I imagine a lot of old-age youths should be suffering from age diseases, especially if they underwent Leonization late in the years.

Just to prove my words, the quote from Augmentation:
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Also note that even a treatment this powerful cannot totally prevent the ravages of time—brain chemistry, for example, must be largely unaltered or the patient
runs the risk of losing much of their memory and acquired motor skills. Certain conditions such as Alzheimer or Parkinson’s diseases cannot be corrected without the use of other therapies.
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post Feb 11 2013, 03:20 PM
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Ah, thanks. So you'd need gene therapy to deal with Demenita. Has some fun implications actually.
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post Feb 11 2013, 07:50 PM
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QUOTE (Smirnov @ Feb 11 2013, 08:37 AM) *
It's open secret now that in fifth there will be decks and deckers again, in one of the hidden fictions Jack mentions that he made some hardware for hackers to run the new matrix. The obvious conclusion is that decks would be hand-made, at least for the time being, and Jack is one of the guys to hand them to hackers.


What what? Open secret about decks and deckers again??
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post Feb 11 2013, 08:06 PM
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QUOTE (Jaid @ Feb 11 2013, 02:58 AM) *
i don't think it has anything to do with making hacking more dangerous (incidentally, hacking is plenty dangerous if you are hacking something important enough), or suddenly needing new gear.

i suspect it has a *lot* more to do with the fact that it sounds really dumb, at least from what i've seen of it so far.

i'm hoping it's not as stupid as it is starting to look. i would really, really, really like for it to actually make sense, and be something interesting instead of something that makes me cringe every time i think about it.

but... right now, that's not what it's looking like. right now, it's looking like someone was like "hey, you know what would be awesome?!?! MATRIX GHOSTS!!!! they should totally, like, steal people's bodies, just because they can and they're super-duper-mega angry and vengeful! this totally makes sense and doesn't come off as complete BS in any way whatsoever!"... and then everyone else somehow agreed with that person.

(like i said, i really hope what it looks like to me is not an accurate portrayal of what's going on... please, please, please prove me wrong. i really would love to be wrong about this one).


Better or worse than a worm named Retcon going around changing the Matrix so commlinks are no longer able to hack in it?

Although something that hilariously hamfisted might be forgiven as part of the 80's style still in the game.
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post Feb 11 2013, 09:36 PM
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QUOTE (Iduno @ Feb 11 2013, 03:06 PM) *
Better or worse than a worm named Retcon going around changing the Matrix so commlinks are no longer able to hack in it?

Although something that hilariously hamfisted might be forgiven as part of the 80's style still in the game.


oddly enough, i would prefer the worm named retcon. at least i could get a bit of a laugh out of it.

that said, there's a really easy way to justify decks.

normal person needs maybe 2-3 programs (in SR terms; eg scan and edit and maybe a virtual personality or reality filter for most people) running at a time, and doesn't care about rating that much (basically, as long as their favourite games don't slow down).

a hacker would almost certainly prefer to have at least a dozen or so just to be covered in case something nasty happens, if not more, and at the highest rating possible. joe schmoe simply doesn't have the same level of needs in terms of what their hardware and software can do, and regardless of how much computing power you can get into something the size of a commlink, you will obviously be able to get *more* into something the size of a cyberdeck.

but really, there's a very simple solution: hey, look, we can totally make programs more powerful, but they take up so many resources that we need more computing power to run them. hey, remember when everyone needed a cyberdeck? let's market them as retro, and cram it all into a framework that looks just like an old cyberdeck? the kids will think it's new and cool, and the adults will be brought in by nostalgia".

problem solved, without any ridiculous nonsense.
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post Feb 11 2013, 10:54 PM
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QUOTE (Jaid @ Feb 11 2013, 04:36 PM) *
normal person needs maybe 2-3 programs (in SR terms; eg scan and edit and maybe a virtual personality or reality filter for most people) running at a time, and doesn't care about rating that much (basically, as long as their favourite games don't slow down).

Basic User Suite has Analyze, Browse, Command, and Edit.

I suppose, theoretically, you could build R0 versions of those programs into every Commlink. *shrug*
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post Feb 11 2013, 11:05 PM
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QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 11 2013, 11:50 PM) *
What what? Open secret about decks and deckers again??

With the new Matrix (2.1) you still use your commlink to browse the net, but to hack you need a deck once more
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post Feb 11 2013, 11:21 PM
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I was asking where/how it's known what's gonna be in SR5. I haven't heard about it.
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post Feb 11 2013, 11:27 PM
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The minigame on shadowruntabletop.com. A relevant thread can be found here.
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post Feb 11 2013, 11:36 PM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Feb 11 2013, 05:54 PM) *
Basic User Suite has Analyze, Browse, Command, and Edit.

I suppose, theoretically, you could build R0 versions of those programs into every Commlink. *shrug*


actually, looking back on it, i think your IP (if it's a legal one, ie the kind that shadowrunners don't use) provides access to those features, so you don't even need them on your commlink. i'd have to re-read that section of unwired to be sure though.
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post Feb 12 2013, 12:43 AM
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What if long term use of Matrix personas eventually has them becoming kinda... independant?


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post Feb 12 2013, 01:25 AM
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QUOTE (hermit @ Feb 11 2013, 06:27 PM) *
The minigame on shadowruntabletop.com. A relevant thread can be found here.


Whoa......

I've gotta like... sit down and digest some of that.... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/alien.gif)
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post Feb 12 2013, 03:26 AM
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QUOTE (_Pax._ @ Feb 11 2013, 03:54 PM) *
Basic User Suite has Analyze, Browse, Command, and Edit.

I suppose, theoretically, you could build R0 versions of those programs into every Commlink. *shrug*
Now that you mention it, I do recall reading in one of the books (Unwired, I think), that all commlinks have the equivalent of a rating zero Scan program built into them automatically.

Maybe add Purge to that list, though, since that's the program that gets rid of virii and such. Maybe also swap it for Analyze, or stack it as a combo package.
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post Feb 12 2013, 06:47 AM
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QUOTE (Pepsi Jedi @ Feb 11 2013, 09:25 PM) *
Whoa......

I've gotta like... sit down and digest some of that....

Perfect response. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Feb 12 2013, 08:43 AM
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Back to the topic, Jack is Eliohan.

Discuss.
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post Feb 12 2013, 08:50 AM
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*blink*

Eliohan, or Cerberus?

Because with either, that would just up the silly even more.

(nvm if Celedyr is involved...)
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post Feb 12 2013, 09:16 AM
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QUOTE (ggodo @ Feb 12 2013, 09:43 AM) *
Back to the topic, Jack is Eliohan.

Discuss.

Nope. Jack was around long before Dragonhunt.
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