So I was reading through the Shadowrun Wiki and they say that Deep Resonance is some kind of Matrix being?



So I was wondering is the Deep Resonance just the Resonance realms of SR4 or is it an AI, or maybe a sprite before sprites were cool?

If all Otaku were made from AI(?), but some where not associated with Megaera, Deus, or Mirage, and if Deep Resonance is some kind of xeno AI(or sprite), then it'd make sense it'd make Otaku for seemingly no reason. And maybe the Deep Resonance made the Technomancers? Which might help explain why there is no rhyme or reason on who becomes a Technomancer.

And all the references to Deep Resonance in SR4 that I'd found basically neither confirm or deny the existence of Deep Resonance as an AI/sprite. Though, I guess the paragon, Zero-One is the Deep Resonance? Which would help imply that the Deep Resonance was a sprite, assuming it was anything.

The current theories are those:
1) Deep Resonance is an inherent property of the Matrix, not related to AIs
2) Deep Resonance is Deus
3) Deep Resonance is any combination of Deus and other First Gen AIs.

Not to forget:
4) Deep Resonance is (just) Mirage

Okay, my bad, make that (3) Deep Resonance is any combination of Deus and/or other First Gen AIs.

Also, from purely plot standpoint I wish the First Gen AIs transcended to become parts of the Deep Resonance still moving under the surface, that'd allow for some nice conflict potential. Plus I just like hyperintelligent AIs more than the current watered-down copies, just as a concept. Anything powerful and mysterious looks much more interesting than an entity roughly equivalent in power to a metahuman.

Also, it would at least be in line with the Sprawl trilogy story the Matrix in Shadowrun has been following since Virtual Realities back yonder.

The "Resonance/Dissonance are AIs that create technomancers" theory doesn't work. Some of the people who became technomancers weren't at all connected to the Matrix or even remotely interacting with technology at the time.

That's what makes me think they were making people in to TMs before and/or after the crash, not necessarily during, but not excluding it either.

If Deep Resonance is some kind of 4th AI who's motives cannot be ascertained, because it'd have been made from the background junk data in the Matrix (like a sprite); then it could have been turning people in to mancers before the crash, but since there was not that much wireless, people wouldn't have known. I don't know, are there stories of people who had no Matrix interaction at all, and still became TMs?

I know there are no real answers to metaphysics. But its always kind of fun to try and think of some kind of semi-logical way to shape the world. Or it is to me at least...

How does one explain the technomancer leopard out in the jungle or technomancer dolphins, or such with that theory though?

There is a phenomena in reality that the Resonance could be linked to called the Schumann Resonances - it's directly related to the Earth's electromagnetic field, which, interestingly enough, dragons and immortal elves supposedly can't leave.

Totally forgot about techno critters...Well, there goes that theory.

Even today the comsat constellations cover the entirety of the Earth, so I unless we're talking some hardcore deadzones I see no reason to presume animals couldn't have gotten into the Matrix.

Besides, there are no reasons to presume human technomancers and technocritters have the same nature.

I'm fairly certain, that when speaking of said technocritters it did point out that many have been found in places with out coverage. The big cat in the jungle that found his way into the researcher's node. Dolphins in the middle of the ocean and stuff. Clearly they get 'into' the matrix, but they don't start there.

Same coverage isn't universal either. if I'm not mistaken, one of the stories about Ares and their 'bug' plans, indicated a Shadowruning team had gotten lost and were out of range, and I think there's such in hazard pay?

As for presumption of them being the same nature... come on man. That's a stretch. "Ohhh.... super secretive AI's made human Technomancers, but Animals... they just were born that way all on their own! In the middle of the rain forest or the ocean! Yeah!!"

I'm not saying I --know-- what made Technomancers. But it's pretty clear that what ever made them, evolution, magic, whatever, made both. If it was the other way around you might have more of an arguement. If we knew that humans had some how made the Animal Technos, then it could be conceiveable that they did so with help of the AI and the AI made the human techno's too, but we don't.

That's a possibility that the technocritters were made by people. Didn't Dunkelzahn's Will have a part on making a DNI for dolphins and elephants, or something strange like that.

I wonder how rare these technocritters are suppose to be. If their populations are really low they might have been escaped lab animals. And strange corp and private experiments can happen anywhere.

Its only been like 10 years since Crash 2.0 so it'd be hard to say if technoamancy is hereditary. And if it is, I'm not sure how quickly these animals can breed to get their populations up.

Personally, I like to go with the simple solution:

Technomancy is an alternate expression of Awakening that comes about due to the heretofore unseen congruence of rising mana tide and purposeful electromagnetic and neural exchanges, IE, Matrix activity.

They weren't seen much in the 2060s because the wireless Matrix wasn't so much a thing then. The Otaku were an abberation, TMs before TMs were a Thing, largely because their brains were the playthings of Deus. Then, with the Crash 2.0 and the Wireless Matrix, bam. No matter where you are in the Sixth World, the Matrix can touch you; even in the deepest jungle, there are Signal rating 9 and 10 satellites above you, whose Matrix signals are reaching you, you just can't reach it without a powerful enough transmitter.

And so, you get Technomancers. That also helps to explain why the TM rules ape the Magic rules so very, very closely, and why TMs are basically treated like Mages in other respects, too - such as their powers being tied to Essence and vulnerable to augmentation installation, and why holistic therapies that work better on mages than on mundane un-augmented people work better on TMs, too.

Again, even today there are no non-confined places without coverage whatsover.

So what you can't prove in any way you're going to claim to be obvious. Smooth.

You cannot use modern coverage as a basis, because there simply wasn't that sort of wireless in SR at the time.

Sure there are. There's remote places where you don't get coverage. Heck there's parts of my neighborhood where there's no coverage, and it's on an old AF base.

It's not about proving it in any way. It's looking at two techno creatures and claiming that one is made by AI, but the technoanimals just spontaneously appear all on their own.

Iridium comsat network alone covers the entirety of the planet.

Right, because we all know animals are incapable of development. For example, no Awakened animals exist.

Come up here and try your network. Then we'll talk. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Animals are capable of development, but you're not going to find parallel development of TECHNOMANCER ability, one artificial by AI's on humanity, who DO interact with the matrix on a huge level, and then spontaneous development in creatures with out higher reasoning skills and such. It's silly.

"Oh the AI's created human Technomancers, but those technomancer Roaches are just born that way."

Come on. It's silly.

He's not talking about standard telecommunications networks.

Still, the fact is that in SR's history, that stuff just wasn't there or was done away with, so it's not relevant.

Comsats are in SR history, constellations are regularly mentioned. And SR is far ahead of RL in space exploration: if they have huge stations capable of sustaining life in orbit and a Mars base, yeah, they do have comsat networks. It's supported by the rules, too: see satellite communications package being available for purchase.

So convergent evolution does not exist. Okay, let the biologists know.

The Deep Resonance is identified with the different AIs only in the novels. Technobabel for Deus, and Psychotrope for Mirage. Later publications tend to deemphasize the connection, such as Brainscan and System Failure. So simply put the Deep Resonance is a transformative experience in the matrix that created normal otaku (as opposed to Deus otaku). Anything beyond that is pretty much open.

People became TMs/Otaku before and after the Crash, too. Re: Threats 2, Brainscan, Psychotrope, R:AS.


Adopting Ronin, Brainscan takes the developments of Technobabel as a fact (Deus can create adult Otaku). System failure tries to move away from that though, as do Unwired, Emergence, and other early SR4/late FanPro products (because the authors wanted to move away from AI as a base for Otaku/mancers and towards a magical Matrix; Moritz Lohman once told me exactly that).

The novels were written from the protagonists' POV...