I found a description for a modification for a ruger super warhawk that was listed as "high powered". Searching here didnt seem to get me anywhere. Which book is it from because I cant find it in arsenal.

Nevermind. Found it in War.

Love me a High Powered Warhawk... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cool.gif)

I was kind of hoping high powered was a stand alone addon, and could then use exex ammo. But I suppose a 7p -3ap sa handgun will have to work.

Too bad hp ammo is 200ny apeice.

Any standard Pistol, SMG, Rifle, AR, HMG, etc. can use Ex-Ex Ammunition by default.
There is some debate whether you can add the special ammunition properties to HP Ammunition, though.

Besides, a Ruger Warhawk is 8P, -3 AP with the HP Modification. Booyah!!!

Yeah, but if you're getting a high-powered revolver you may as well get the sheriff from gun haven 2. better bang for your buck, and better AP than the hp warhawk.

What he said. Cavalier Sheriff.

Enh, don't have that book. Just gun heaven 1. Besides the ruger has such a history behind it.

The most important aspect of a gun isn't it's history, but rather it's future...

Just make sure that you and your GM match up on how the -2 DP from HP chambering works. Some say it's a flat recoil mod, others think it's a 2 recoil per shot, still others think it's not even recoil and you cannot reduce the penalty.

Yeah, if they carry over HP rounds into 5E, they should really explain them better next time. You have to be either incredibly skilled or incredibly inept to achieve that level of linguistic ambiguity in wording a rule.

~Umi

Sadly, I still do not have that resource. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif)

I would highly recommend people buy GH2, I did and it's pretty awesome. I've actually started using some of Shiawase and S-K's stuff as default weapons for both PCs and NPCs. (The Urban Hunter is absolutely vicious.) As an example, here's the Cavalier Arms Sheriff (apologies if posting stuff from sourcebooks isn't cool):

Any author who gets upset over such a casual referencing is deluding themselves. If people are really going to get the books without buying them, they'll simply download them as entire pirated PDFs without much effort. It's not as if people scrapbook entire books together from single paragraph quotations and references made on web forums like Dumpshock. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

~Umi

On the other hand, here's my personal philosophy with ANY gun:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTQSBm5A_FI

Slight discovery! I was just browsing over the Urban Hunter's listing, since Freya mentioned it and I couldn't remember which gun it was, and I found this little nugget.


At last, clear evidence on whether you can get HP versions of other ammo types!

Now, of course, one should bear in mind that it's fluff rather than crunch, but to the best of my knowledge this is the only bit of wording I've seen anywhere that serves as evidence in either direction. Not quite an official ruling, but it does seem to give a lot more heft to the school of thought favoring HP being a variant of existing ammo types, rather than a mutually exclusive category all it's own.

~Umi

Oh geez, I was pretty well stuck on "burst-fire assault cannon" and missed the AV rounds reference entirely. So yeah, make the Urban Hunter even more vicious than I first mentioned. (And yay for evidence!)

Totally makes me think of: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4QGeMApnBQQ

So that's... 8P, -8/-10AP, burst fire capable, and even moddable for FA if you really want?

And people still argue against a Full Auto Panther XXL Assault Cannon... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

~Umi

Considering that the entire Black Lagoon anime is supposed to be inspired by Tarantino movies, I'm not surprised. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

(by the way, too all Dumpshockers: if for some ungodly reason you haven't seen this anime, please do. It's gloriously awesome, and if you have new players that still have no idea what the hell pink mohawk is, point them towards this anime)

To be fair, the stats for the Urban Hunter and the implications of high-powered AV ammo take a lot more digging to find than the Panther. Then again, after seeing those numbers I'd be tempted to argue against it myself: "Why would I use a Panther when I can get an Urban Hunter with AV ammo instead?" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Oh, I agree. An FA Panther is a suboptimal choice in every regard. But I feel it ought to at least be possible, based purely on the Arsenal rules for weapon modifications. The biggest argument I've heard against it is that because AC rounds are their own separate category of ammunition, people treat them as Exotic Ammunition, despite the clear examples of Exotic Ammunition being things like Lasers and Flamethrowers, et cetera.

But I'm dangerously close to reviving that argument, and this is neither the time nor the place for it! I shouldn't have brought it up, I suppose, so if anyone wishes to continue this subdiscussion, we can take it up again in the other thread.

~Umi

And weapons technology continues its progression. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

There's also the discussion in the Sheriff itself about "experimental explosive ammunition" as well:

"Cavalier does not recommend the use of experimental explosive ammunition..."

and

> I’ve seen demos of high-powered explosive ammunition; it works fine. Cavalier
was concerned with the round exiting the target before detonation at close
range. It’s only happened twice to me so far, and at that point it really doesn’t
matter to the target if the explosive went off.
> Hard Exit

Yeah, again more fluff than crunch, but does add more that there'd be additional types of HP ammo.

I treat HP ammo as an ammo modification, with +60nY (per 10) and avail +18F. So HP AV ammo would cost 180nY (per 10) and has an avail of 36F.

Additionally, i removed the "recoil" part of HP ammo, it is now a modifier due to inherent inaccuracy.