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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,757 Joined: 11-December 02 From: France Member No.: 3,723 ![]() |
I think you're mixing up two things. The original "removing timestamp is a decker thing" was in Shadowtech, where The Smiling Bandit posts were signed "The Smiling Bandit <Strikes again!/Ha-Ha-Ha>". It was addressed in the book itself, at the end, when KAM asked him how he did. Timestamp were removed from Shadowland only several years later in Dunkelzahn's Secrets: Portfolio of dragon.
The editing-issue-turned-plot rather is the nameless poster that first showed up in Corporate Guide, page 70. |
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#1027
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
iii MIGHT have gotten the anonymous poster and the time/date stamp mixed up a bit, i'll admit . .
operating on less than 3 hours of sleep in 48 hours is not an optimal setting i am afraid <.< |
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#1028
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Ah, I see. The nameless poster is something other than the missing time/date stamp in earlier editions (either Fastjack or early Smiling Bandit had that).
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#1029
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,087 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
operating on less than 3 hours of sleep in 48 hours is not an optimal setting i am afraid <.< You obviously need a Sleep Regulator (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) ----- Finally got around to read the frist ~20 pages. So far nothing really outstanding (positively or negatively), EXCEPT for the excessive and obnoxious FMC fanwanking. |
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#1030
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
At the very least, a nap. But yeah, a sleep regulator wouldn't hurt.
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#1031
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Or a lot of coffee, chocolate and cigarettes (and bigger guns).
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#1032
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,840 Joined: 24-July 02 From: Lubbock, TX Member No.: 3,024 ![]() |
Ah, back when deckers were deckers and not kids chasing otaku...though I guess NetCat wasn't that young
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#1033
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,286 Joined: 24-May 05 From: A 10x10 room with an orc and a treasure chest Member No.: 7,409 ![]() |
Ooo, I just had a thought concerning Puck concerning his "farewell" to Fastjack, their deal, and his actions in Denver. Puck stated that he wanted a free and open matrix. Fastjack isn't all too upset with him about that just his way of going about it. So what if Fastjack and Puck's deal was to try to bring about just that? Granted it's hard to do, but it seems to be a driving factor for Puck as a character.
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#1034
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
more important:
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#1035
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 21-August 08 From: France Member No.: 16,265 ![]() |
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#1036
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Then you didn't read the same novels I did (or just the trilogies). A good, dark one is Streets of Blood.
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#1037
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 702 Joined: 21-August 08 From: France Member No.: 16,265 ![]() |
I've read around 20 I think. It was the general feeling I had, but not all were translated back in the days. Btw, it's not like it was very very fresh in my mind.
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#1038
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
So, apparently, Celedyr has been experimenting on AIs and technomancers in his secret facility?
QUOTE ( @ p.161 Storm Front) The facility was housing and imprisoning e-ghosts and possibly other technosentiences. [...] this place and this project were heavily under the claw of Celedyr, since the Minuteman Security forces were supplemented (and outnumbered) by members of the Knights of Rage. ButQUOTE ( @ p.127 Corporate Guide) Villiers favors strict regulation of AIs and technomancers, while Celedyr—with support from Verghese and Trans-Latvian Enterprises—supports extending basic metasapience rights to digital constructs. Don't you think supporting legal recognition as sapients and granting the respective rights to someone seems like an agenda at odds with experimenting on life specimens of that someone?
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#1039
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
Don't you think supporting legal recognition as sapients and granting the respective rights to someone seems like an agenda at odds with experimenting on life specimens of that someone? It says "Housing and Imprisoning", not "Experimenting".That could be read as "Giving aid and comfort to the friendly, and punishing the guilty" as well. And considering the history of TMs, e-ghosts, and AIs (Recent enough even in Shadowrun's "Attention-Defici... OH SHINY!" attention span!) "Experiment" would certainly be the word used if laboratories were found. Just a possibility. I haven't been able to get through Storm Front myself due to my surgery and aftereffects, so just pointing out the wording of the quote given. |
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#1040
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
Well, the surrounding story seems to suggest they were universally glad to leave, so at the very least it was incarcerating all of them (and the bits on nano-possession suggest they were experimented upon, and seek revenge).
Apparently, to make lemonade from lemons, you have to actually know your stuff. :\ |
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#1041
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 25-February 13 Member No.: 76,416 ![]() |
A influential "person" preaching something different than what he is doing.
Scandalous! Such things simply don't happen. |
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#1042
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 25-February 13 Member No.: 76,416 ![]() |
double post
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#1043
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
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#1044
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 280 Joined: 25-February 13 Member No.: 76,416 ![]() |
Not "preaching" but "pushing on his megacorp's executive meetings, which is making him powerful enemies". And yet, being perceived as crusader for AI rights might be worth the downsides when it hides his experiments or brings in more test subjects. Or maybe the ghosts detained were "special" in some ways (Criminals or whatever). Maybe the KoR where there to watch what Villers is doing as a compromise between them. There can be lots of explanations. |
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#1045
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 ![]() |
Well, the surrounding story seems to suggest they were universally glad to leave, so at the very least it was incarcerating all of them (and the bits on nano-possession suggest they were experimented upon, and seek revenge). Thanks. Can we have the correction with less snark next time, SVP? I did put the rider in there that I can't read at the moment (literally, I cannot sit down and READ! Anything!) so I went just off of the quote given.
Apparently, to make lemonade from lemons, you have to actually know your stuff. :\ |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
Maybe the KoR where there to watch what Villers is doing as a compromise between them. Knights of Rage work for Celedyr, and he was running the research facility.Thanks. Can we have the correction with less snark next time, SVP? I did put the rider in there that I can't read at the moment (literally, I cannot sit down and READ! Anything!) so I went just off of the quote given. Beg your pardon, that remark about lemons wasn't directed against you personally (or anyone in particular, really). |
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#1047
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,087 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
Well, the surrounding story seems to suggest they were universally glad to leave, so at the very least it was incarcerating all of them (and the bits on nano-possession suggest they were experimented upon, and seek revenge). Corporate Intrigue has some more information, namely the run which is described in that side bar: His [Celedyr's] objective is to determine whether ghosts in the machine are sentient beings that can be communicated with, although what end that and his other research may serve in the long term remains unknown. The E-ghosts are also limited to Rating 3, so they are indeed not overly human-like and probably closer to proto-sapient AIs. |
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#1048
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
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#1049
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,087 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
They're entirely human-like: you can even play as one. You can play as a metasapient AI with an E-ghost quality. You cannot play as an E-ghost of the kind presented in Unwired, which are to playable metasapients what ghosts are to free spirit PCs. Now guess which of the two kinds is referenced in Corporate Intrigue (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 935 Joined: 2-September 10 Member No.: 19,000 ![]() |
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