The variable Force rating of spells already has a downside: Drain. Casting spells can kill a magician.

That guy shooting his AK doesn't risk death by simply firing his weapon.

Unless it's at Lofwyr.

*rimshot* (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

SR5 off to print now. Does that mean a pre-order in our near future?

*golf clap*

1) Where do you see that news?
2) If it's true, it would have been nice to see some concrete rules before it did.

CGL twitter

Thanks. One would have thought that that was big enough news to put on the website.

They don't have a website guy, and they usually write blog posts for these news, which equals time and effort. Considering there's still the intro box to do (source: same twitter (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) ), I can understand it in this case. Twitter is good for such quick news, IMO, and IIRC, it's also seeded on the FB page. Whoever's using THAT.

Besides, the thing is already announced, so a real update would be "It's out, buy it in PDF form now. Street date: XX-XX"

Any hints on what they have done to adepts, especially in terms of PP costs? I feel like they are still treated in an after thought kind of fashion.

That feeling is completely unfounded.
Mostly, because we have no information at all about how adepts are treated.
Could be horrible. Could be awesome. Why stress about it, if there's no information available?

Honestly with the new restrictions being put on mundanes/cyber, Adepts being left even as they are will probably be a great option just because it lets you get similar enhancements without making everyone in the world hate you.

Ah, good old overdramatization, again.
How do you extrapolate that from a snippet, Seerow?
Are you able to use the divination metamagic? Or is it just tealeaves and a vivid imagination?

So I guess AK-74 and M-16 are similar, then. They are both assault rifles, after all.

Well writing a wordpress post takes exactly as much effort as writing a twitter post. Actually, less, because you don't have to care about the absurdist character limits.

From what we know about magic and the limit system, adepts could be awesome, but far as I know, nothing concrete has been announced.

Not for me it doesn't.
If I wanted to twitter something, I'd grab my cellphone and type a half sentence. Not that I do that, since I have no real news to twitter to the world at large and people usually don't want to hear about my free time, perceived achievements or the quality of my food and bowel movements. #getoffmylawn (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

If I write a wordpress article, I have to fire up my browser, type full sentences, proofread it for a moment and then post it. One thing takes 15sec, the other 15min, depending on the size. And I don't use a blogging tool to write micronews. Additionally, I would personally ridicule the author of a wordpress article on the official site when it just said "SR5 out to printers".

Unfortunately, Mr. Bills also has a tendency to use the CGL account to tweet random factoids about his family instead of using it for company news. That's his prerogative, but also the reason, why I don't follow the thing.

Are you saying there was not an explicit statement that there are social penalties for having ware? Or increased restrictions on going places because you have it? Saying the whole world hates you may be an exaggeration, but it's a slight one. Right now I have a much greater fear of Magicrun 2.0 than I do of Adepts being underpowered.

I haven't been yelled at yet (although I haven't checked my inbox yet this morning), so I'll throw out there that we also took a good hard look at adepts and how they stacked against other character builds with similar concepts, and we made sure to close that gap in SR5.

So it will be even more adept run then? O.o
Because since most things cyber are available as external gear, in SR4 an adept can get most anything a samurai can have for only money and add his adept stuff on top of that, if i remember correctly.

No. I am saying, that you have no idea, how those penalties actually manifest themselves within the system. What you're spewing is not a slight exaggeration, it's pure hyperbole with no foundation on any information you have.
Let me recap for you the whole thing we know at this point: Cyberware will make people stand out, by influencing their social limit.
That's it.
It does that in the _current_ system. Excessive cyberware will give you penalties to your negotiation rolls, or a bonus to intimidation, or you will be treated biased. For all you know, the mechanical system could be just a change to this current status and no big deal.
Furthermore, you also don't know how certain implants actually influence limits and dice pools.
Another point is, that you don't even know the actual extent of how this will reduce the social limit.

Fear leads people to knee-jerk reactions, and you're no different.

Just off the top of my head a few possibilities how this could be handled:
1.) Your reduced essence makes you less human, and people recognize the cold look you give them. You don't regard them as humans, but categorize them as threat or no threat. Your limit for con and negotiation tests is lowered, but you get a bonus for intimidation.

2.) Cyberware case mods or similar 'cool' ware might give you an advantage. You look stylish, people want to be your friend, because your arm doesn't look like a killer can opener, but a fashion accessory. Raises your limit in certain conditions, no bonus on intimidation.

This is just speculation. Just as much as your fear is pure speculation.
Again: It could be horrible. Cybered faces could become completely unplayable. It could also become awesome.
Why you project your fear this way is completely not understandable for me. The most likely scenario is that the designers looked at the issue, thought about it and found ways to still make face characters with ware viable.

But without actual information, neither of us knows.

The main implant for a samurai has always been the one raising his IP count, in terms of both effectiveness and monetary and Essence costs. It's not available as gear. Neither are, say, the attribute boosters, skill boosters, skillwires, etc, etc, etc.

The game was actually called "Adeptrun" from 2011 to just last February, but the cross-marketing agreements with Shadowrun Returns and Shadowrun Online required CGL to change the name back, despite the overwhelmingly positive response to the name change from playtesters and the report from CGL marketing about the advantages of having a game that appears earlier in alphabetical order than D&D, Pathfinder, and My Little Pony: Friendship is Magic.

EDIT: =i) (apologies if I seemed at all serious)


I have another vague recollection about an official blog post about balancing adepts. If my memory serves, then you can probably read all about it there. If not, then I'm under NDA; sorry.

EDIT: Found it: http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2013/04/s...wer-for-adepts/

Okay, so I get that you repeatingly get pissed off by the fact that people speculate on "your" work and thus resort to sarcastic comments on your own. But for heaven's sake, you're wielding a scalpel like a butcher. So please: Get back under your NDA hood and keep your mouth shut, because you're in no way better than the people you're trying to get at with your attitude.

Thank you ...

Not pissed off at all. I saw the smiley on Stahlseele's post and just riffed off of his immaculate and entertaining sense of hyperbole. Apologies if I offended; if there needs to be further discussion, I suggest a PM.

Meanwhile, I found the discussion on adepts I recalled and edited it into the post above. Here it is again, hope it helps: http://www.shadowruntabletop.com/2013/04/s...wer-for-adepts/

And just as a friendly reminder, please keep the discussion here nice and civil.

Bye
Thanee

More importantly, we have no idea what changes have been made to adepts.


Given the recent history of CGL, I have become a bit more pessimistic about them recognizing and fixing problems. But if the willingness is there, the implementation should not be much of an issue -- for example, we know that Accuracy can be modified by gear, who says the other Limits are set in stone and cannot be influenced by cyber?

No one at all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)