 Rigger vs Decker, How can the Rigger defend himself |
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 Sep 13 2013, 11:24 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 14-August 07 Member No.: 12,638  |
When a rigger jumps in a vehicle, the rules state that his icon merges with that of the rigged device. Does that mean that any decker who spots the drone's icon can directly attack the rigger, with a Biofeedback or Blackout program?
QUOTE So respect the hackers, but don’t fear them. Their software can mess with your hardware, but your headware can mess with their wetware, usually in the form of cranial trauma by gunshot wound. If my suspicions are correct, their software could directly mess with my rigger's brains instead of just his hardware. That's a bit too harsh to my taste... |
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Sep 13 2013, 11:50 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
Yeah, they either need a combat decker to cover them or to always run in hidden mode and lose some dice. Or both.
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Sep 13 2013, 02:42 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
Yeah, a decker can wreck you, although you should have reasonably okay defenses given a highish Willpower and a decent RCC.
I've thought about houseruling the ability to auto-trace the physical location of any icon that is within the 100 meter auto-detection range (or which has been successfuly detected in hidden mode using matrix perception) OR making Trace Icon not require MARKs but just make it an opposed test. |
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Sep 13 2013, 05:16 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 693 Joined: 26-March 03 Member No.: 4,335 |
QUOTE (Odsh @ Sep 13 2013, 11:24 AM)  If my suspicions are correct, their software could directly mess with my rigger's brains instead of just his hardware. That's a bit too harsh to my taste... I'm agreeing with the others.... but I'd like to point out that the text you quoted was stating that a hacker can mess with your rigging gear, but you can mess with his physical body, in return. It's hard to finish messing with a rigger when he's parked a van on your head, or just shot you with a vehicular weapon. |
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Sep 13 2013, 08:17 PM
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Neophyte Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 |
A good decker should be able to brick the vehicle in one or two Data Spikes, unless the rigger is wired directly to said vehicle and said vehicle has all wireless functionality otherwise disabled.
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Sep 13 2013, 08:22 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
QUOTE (SpellBinder @ Sep 13 2013, 02:17 PM) A good decker should be able to brick the vehicle in one or two Data Spikes, unless the rigger is wired directly to said vehicle and said vehicle has all wireless functionality otherwise disabled. If the rigger is jumped in through an RCC or Commlink, I think the decker has to brick the RCC or Commlink first (p. 266). Once the rigger's persona was focefully de-matrixed, the decker would have a shot at bricking the vehicle or drone. |
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Sep 13 2013, 11:19 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 |
QUOTE (Lantzer @ Sep 13 2013, 12:16 PM) I'm agreeing with the others.... but I'd like to point out that the text you quoted was stating that a hacker can mess with your rigging gear, but you can mess with his physical body, in return. It's hard to finish messing with a rigger when he's parked a van on your head, or just shot you with a vehicular weapon. and i think his point is that with the right programs, the decker can fry your brains just fine, so it's not even remotely a situation where he can only harm your hardware while you can put a bullet in his head. |
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Sep 14 2013, 10:51 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 14-August 07 Member No.: 12,638 |
Fortunately, I forgot this rule:
QUOTE If you fail an Attack action, your target’s security software rejects your code, corrupting it and sending it back where it came from. If it was normal data, then your system could check it for errors, but in this case it’s some pretty vicious stuff designed to avoid Firewalls. For every net hit the target got on its defense test, you take 1 box of Matrix damage, which you can’t resist. With solid Willpower and Firewall ratings and by going on full matrix defense, the decker will probably brick his own deck just by attacking you. |
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Sep 14 2013, 03:03 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
QUOTE (Odsh @ Sep 14 2013, 05:51 AM) With solid Willpower and Firewall ratings and by going on full matrix defense, the decker will probably brick his own deck just by attacking you. Firewall, Intuition, & Willpower. Data Spikes are resisted with Firewall & Intuition. Willpower is added in the case of Full Matrix Defense. Pretty effective, considering it's almost an ersatz attack. Note that it only helps against [Attack] actions like Brute Force and Data Spike (The description gets a little loose later into the paragraph describing it, but the first sentence is explicit). |
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Sep 14 2013, 03:05 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
Aha, so no now my unstoppable elven technomancer assassin became the unkillable dwarf technomancer judo master. Exceptional attribute willpower, Force 8 quickened Increase Willpower, full matrix defense gets you 24 dice plus Intuition to defend and bounce back attacks. Muahaha!
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Sep 14 2013, 03:15 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
QUOTE (Slithery D @ Sep 14 2013, 10:05 AM) Aha, so no now my unstoppable elven technomancer assassin became the unkillable dwarf technomancer judo master. Exceptional attribute willpower, Force 8 quickened Increase Willpower, full matrix defense gets you 24 dice plus Intuition to defend and bounce back attacks. Muahaha! Ha! That would be pretty funny. Flavor them as a Neo-Luddite who uses evil technology (a cyberdeck) and who's only goal in life is to usher hackers to their doom by causing them to brick themselves (toss on Biofeedback and you're damaging their brains since Biofeedback applies to failed [Attack] actions too). |
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Sep 15 2013, 11:08 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 107 Joined: 14-August 07 Member No.: 12,638 |
Indeed, too bad Biofeedback program can't be loaded on RCC's...
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Sep 15 2013, 02:21 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
QUOTE (Odsh @ Sep 15 2013, 05:08 AM) Indeed, too bad Biofeedback program can't be loaded on RCC's... One of the freelancers mentioned that the list wasn't all-inclusive. It only listed the programs deemed "handy" for riggers. Most of the programs not included only do something if you have an Attack or Sleaze attribute, so they're pretty much useless on an RCC. Hopefully an official FAQ entry will be included on it. I'm honestly not sure why Configurator wouldn't be considered handy, for instance. |
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Sep 15 2013, 04:40 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 81 Joined: 11-March 08 Member No.: 15,761 |
As long as Configure can be used to swap Noise Reduction & Autosoft sharing as opposed to Matrix Attributes (which you can't do with RCCs), yeah, I agree, it would come in pretty handy. The program swapping, if it can do Autosoft swapping, could be great.
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