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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 413 Joined: 20-September 10 Member No.: 19,058 ![]() |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,095 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Wa, USA Member No.: 1,139 ![]() |
AWESOME!!!! any idea when it will see print? I'm guessing another 6 months but at least now I can print it myself.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 ![]() |
I would expect it to fix everything since it took 6 months to produce and we had tomes of errors collected here with provided fixes that they completely ignored. It's a nice gesture but really more insulting than releasing nothing considering they broke more stuff with this release anyway. This is why we can't have nice things (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) I understand your feelings, but at the end of the day they're humans just trying to do their best at what is essentially just a hobby. Is it perfect? No, but it's a step in the right direction and it's progress towards a better game. It's almost impossible to get everything perfect on the first, second, or third try, as such it should be an iterative process and I look forward to the next effort. Thank you Patrick and everyone else involved with making this a reality, and may tomorrow's Shadowrun be better than today's. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
Amen. Errata is good (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) keep them coming!
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
Errata: Ignore double post from user FuelDrop.
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,962 Joined: 27-February 13 Member No.: 76,875 ![]() |
Because mancers who like sprites don't need to be just pretty, they also need to be smart. I'd rule both apply. No contradiction, but another leg iron. Imagine applying the same to magicians and spirits for a second - certainly you can see where the issues with inter-tradition balance would set in, yes? |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 ![]() |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
Errata: Post 35. Above the line HougH! insert 'With an errata'd dance'
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jacked in ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Admin Posts: 9,539 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 463 ![]() |
A question about Mystic Adepts: Can they buy new PP for 5 Karma when they raise their Magic Rating post-chargen?
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 525 Joined: 20-December 12 Member No.: 66,005 ![]() |
A question about Mystic Adepts: Can they buy new PP for 5 Karma when they raise their Magic Rating post-chargen? Bye Thanee Here's what the errata says on the matter: QUOTE POWER POINTS AND MAGIC CLARIFICATION (P. 279, POWER POINTS PARAGRAPH) Change to following sentence: “You get a free Power Point whenever you increase your Magic attribute, and you can gain a Power Point through Initiation (p. 324) instead of gaining a metamagic.” To: “If you’re an adept, you get a free Power Point whenever you increase your Magic attribute (though this doesn’t apply to mystic adepts, and you can gain a Power Point through Initiation (p. 324) instead of gaining a metamagic.” So basically, Initiation is the only way you're getting any PP if you're a mystic adept. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 476 Joined: 30-December 03 From: Fresno, CFS: taking out one durned furriner at a time. Member No.: 5,940 ![]() |
A question about Mystic Adepts: Can they buy new PP for 5 Karma when they raise their Magic Rating post-chargen? Bye Thanee I think (and I could be wrong) the official interpretation, for Missions and the like, is that the only way a Mystic Adept can get additional PP post-chargen is when initiating, and then the character selects a PP instead of a metamagic technique. I also think this is the most common interpretation due to fears of Mystic Adepts being overpowered. However, neither the errata nor SR5 explicitly states that the 5 karma per PP up to your magic rating is only limited to chargen, so under a strict interpretation, buying PP up to your current magic rating for 5 karma would be RAW. That being said, the Missions errata specifically states you can buy PP up to the characters starting magic rating, not current magic rating, which, if read literally, has some nonsensical results. As a house rule, I wouldn't have a problem with it as it lowers the demand to buy all 6 PP in chargen which then opens up spending the chargen karma for a more well rounded character, and if the character is already at the magic limit, going through the process of raising the magic rating is karma intensive enough as to make me shrug. And really, compared to grabbing another spell for 5 karma, 1 PP usually isn't enough to sweat. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Columbus, OH Member No.: 875 ![]() |
This is why we can't have nice things (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) I understand your feelings, but at the end of the day they're humans just trying to do their best at what is essentially just a hobby. Is it perfect? No, but it's a step in the right direction and it's progress towards a better game. It's almost impossible to get everything perfect on the first, second, or third try, as such it should be an iterative process and I look forward to the next effort. Thank you Patrick and everyone else involved with making this a reality, and may tomorrow's Shadowrun be better than today's. Just a hobby? Maybe for you and I, but it is literally their job to create a usable/accurate product. On this site alone there is a 20+ page thread of eratta. Aaron, Patrick, Bull, and others have said they were working on a full eratta and we get this 2 1/2 page single-lined document that breaks more things and doesn't address issues known since June. The SR regime under Hardy is making the SR3 run under Rob Boyle and Steve Kenson look like the freaking Golden Age. Some people here seem to be ok with paying real world money for terrible customer service and a spotty product, but forgive me for not sharing that sentiment. |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE Just a hobby? Maybe for you and I, but it is literally their job to create a usable/accurate product. Hardy's job. All the others are freelancers who live off actual jobs. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Columbus, OH Member No.: 875 ![]() |
Hardy's job. All the others are freelancers who live off actual jobs. Yeah, I know? Catalyst are responsible for the ultimate product but when freelancers tell us "the eratta is in the works" and "this will be in the eratta" and then it's not, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence in them either. |
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Tilting at Windmills ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,636 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Amarillo, TX, CAS Member No.: 388 ![]() |
AWESOME!!!! any idea when it will see print? I'm guessing another 6 months but at least now I can print it myself. They're working the changes into the book as we speak; I'm not sure when the updated PDFs should be out, but it shouldn't be too much longer now, IIRC. You should get an email from your PDF purchase place when they're ready. If I'm reading things correctly, the changes should make it into the third printing, but I'm not certain about that. Depends on when the second printing sells through. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,090 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
Hardy's job. All the others are freelancers who live off actual jobs. If a freelancer gets hired to do job X, it is his job. That's why they are freelancers and not fanfic writers. Anything above and beyond (and drafting a clear agreement where to border to above and beyond lies) is obviously not their job, but "if it's a side job you're not responsible for quality" is just wrong. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
Oh why the heat up.
We've already discussed in another thread that doing the job for money is the only thing that makes you a professional; no responsibility or self-consciousness is implied. Why are you constantly on CGL's case, people are just pursuing their hobby to the best of their ability. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 422 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Columbus, OH Member No.: 875 ![]() |
Oh why the heat up. We've already discussed in another thread that doing the job for money is the only thing that makes you a professional; no responsibility or self-consciousness is implied. Why are you constantly on CGL's case, people are just pursuing their hobby to the best of their ability. Maybe I'm reading this wrong, but are you defending Catalyst for putting out a broken product and then not offering any official fixes for over 6 months? Nobody is blaming the freelancers. My gripe is that there are two giant communities of fans (here, and the official forums) that would happily bug check and re-format the base files FOR FREE and they don't bother to take advantage of the fan base OR even listen to what we're saying in terms of real life playtesting and fact-checking. Maybe there are legal issues I am unaware of in regards to letting freelancers fix the product, but as a hobbyist I have done far less exciting work for no pay, and would happily do all the formatting and error checking for $1 and a freelancer credit in the book if that's what it took to make it legal. It just comes off as lazy and insulting when there are errors noted in the eratta thread from day one of the PDF release that somehow didn't make it into this eratta document, including several instances where changing merely one word can make a huge difference in understanding the rules as intended, but they didn't address them. Now, will they release more fixes? Probably, but with the amount of errors we've seen from the core book alone that were not addressed for whatever reason in this first fix, it doesn't inspire a lot of confidence - that goes for the supplements that have been released as well, most notably GH3. I fear we're going to be looking at a SR5.5 release in a couple years since they don't seem in any hurry to address a long list of issues that keep large portions of the game in houserule-only territory. |
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Skillwire Savant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 ![]() |
My gripe is that there are two giant communities of fans (here, and the official forums) that would happily bug check and re-format the base files FOR FREE and they don't bother to take advantage of the fan base OR even listen to what we're saying in terms of real life playtesting and fact-checking. Maybe there are legal issues I am unaware of in regards to letting freelancers fix the product, but as a hobbyist I have done far less exciting work for no pay, and would happily do all the formatting and error checking for $1 and a freelancer credit in the book if that's what it took to make it legal. Given the unpaid internship boondoggle over at Conde Nast and some of the other big magazines, there probably is. With that said, I believe there are several gaming company websites that state that anything posted to the website is property of said company. Seems like that could be a work-around... |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 433 Joined: 8-November 07 Member No.: 14,097 ![]() |
Maybe some kind of "rules wiki" as a live document that people could contribute to (with probably some amount of moderation/validation) could work. There'd be plenty of devilsome and time-consuming details involved - it would probably require some detailed annotation concerning what's official and/or approved and what's still "pending suggestion", voting/"liking" on suggestions, a trusted review committee, and viewing it might have to be login-restricted to those who have purchased a PDF - but ultimately it could alleviate a lot of the apparent bottlenecks involved in finding and fixing stuff.
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