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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 104 Joined: 8-June 14 From: NJ Member No.: 189,579 ![]() |
It physically pains me to even think of playing in that game.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
DM'ing isn't for everyone, just like major league sports and the military, and for similar reasons - not everyone is cut out for it, as much as they'd like to think they were.
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#4
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,039 Joined: 23-March 05 From: The heart of Rywfol Emwolb Industries Member No.: 7,216 ![]() |
nm
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#5
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 598 Joined: 12-October 05 Member No.: 7,835 ![]() |
Those aren't game mechanics; they're quantum mechanics.
Maybe it's a VR computer simulation, or maybe the opposition has some kind of time machine. |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
I would just quit that game. If the GM put effort in it, his loss. Maybe he should have put more effort in not being a dick.
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#7
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Horror ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 ![]() |
I have to agree with and second Hermit on this one.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
I concur: it moves to the floor for a vote.
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#9
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
Read down the thread a bit. You find out why the world is against the players.
Suffice to say, it gets worse. It gets WAY worse. |
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#10
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
All in Favor Say Aye!!!
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
Aye!
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#12
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Horror ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,322 Joined: 15-June 05 From: BumFuck, New Jersey Member No.: 7,445 ![]() |
Aye!
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#13
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 664 Joined: 26-September 11 Member No.: 39,030 ![]() |
It sounds like they're playing paranoia. Maybe telling the team he's making his own rule system is just The Computer making sure they don't try to commit treason by knowing the rules.
It's clear that they're not having fun playing Surprise! Paranoia. A troubleshooter is being dispatched to fix the issue. |
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#14
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Countrary to the game in the link, that sounds like a very amusing Paranoia adventure.
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
Y'see, the "quantum orc" illusion of choice concept CAN work. Where the GM adjusts the adventure so that no matter the path the PCs take, they meet that orc the GM needs them to meet.
HOWEVER, it ONLY works if the players don't realize it's happening, or at least it's done in such a way that they can rationalize the events as plausible. It's call "illusion of choice" for a reason. In the example, there is no illusion at all, it's obvious there is no choice. -k |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
It's one thing to have a key NPC show up when needed, whether the group goes to the Le Snootier restaurant or the Tres Hip nightclub. That's good GMing and making adjustments on the fly as needed.
It's another thing to tell them "No, um, the restaurant, um, burned down. You have to go to the nightclub." "Okay, forget it, we just swing by McHughes and get some sloppy soys to go." "No! Um, I mean, the McHughes has burned down, too." "Okay, we swing by our worst enemy's place to see if we can mooch some food from him." "No, no, his place has burned down, too...waiiiit a minute..." |
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#17
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
It's worse than that.
If you scroll down a bit you'll find that... well, let's say that the PCs have plan X and plan Y. Plan Y assumes that the easiest way to thwart plan X is true. For instance, Plan X requires a tree. Plan Y requires that there are no trees. The group attempted to implement plan X. There were suddenly no trees. Switch to plan Y. Trees. Plan X again. No trees. Yes, the GM did that. For those taking the TL:DR approach it's because the Author Avatar GMPC becomes a god at the end of the story and is retroactively changing the world to ensure that everything goes according to plan. This is dumb on every possible level. I'm actually not doing things justice with this summery. |
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#18
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
Maybe telling the team he's making his own rule system is just The Computer making sure they don't try to commit treason by knowing the rules. Are you implying malice on the side of Friend Computer, citizen? Do you suppose one can commit treason unwittingly, simply by seditious thought? |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 ![]() |
It's worse than that. If you scroll down a bit you'll find that... well, let's say that the PCs have plan X and plan Y. Plan Y assumes that the easiest way to thwart plan X is true. For instance, Plan X requires a tree. Plan Y requires that there are no trees. The group attempted to implement plan X. There were suddenly no trees. Switch to plan Y. Trees. Plan X again. No trees. Yes, the GM did that. For those taking the TL:DR approach it's because the Author Avatar GMPC becomes a god at the end of the story and is retroactively changing the world to ensure that everything goes according to plan. This is dumb on every possible level. I'm actually not doing things justice with this summery. for example, you didn't mention the part where the PCs can do anything the NPCs can if they qualify, and the reason the PCs don't qualify to have equivalent god-characters is because both the player and the character have to be psychic. |
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#20
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
for example, you didn't mention the part where the PCs can do anything the NPCs can if they qualify, and the reason the PCs don't qualify to have equivalent god-characters is because both the player and the character have to be psychic. I think my mind intentionally shielded itself from that part as a defense mechanism. Stupid might not be contagious, but I don't want to take the risk. |
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#21
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
What annoyed me and made me stop 10 pages in was the feeling the primary narrator stayed in the (unquestionably horrible) game for bragging rights on GitP (and positive reaffirmation by that), which isn't that much better than the GM running a campaign that features author insert Gary Stu to such a degree.
It also makes me call a few bits into question, like the part about the GM thinking himself a psychic (if he really does, however, HE NEEDS HELP and bragging about the shittyness of his homebrew wannabe D&D is not the first thing that should be on the minds of his friends). |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
What annoyed me and made me stop 10 pages in was the feeling the primary narrator stayed in the (unquestionably horrible) game for bragging rights on GitP (and positive reaffirmation by that), which isn't that much better than the GM running a campaign that features author insert Gary Stu to such a degree. It also makes me call a few bits into question, like the part about the GM thinking himself a psychic (if he really does, however, HE NEEDS HELP and bragging about the shittyness of his homebrew wannabe D&D is not the first thing that should be on the minds of his friends). The narrator leaves the game around page 25?-30. total of 3 players out of 4 weigh in and none dispute GM's depiction. |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE The narrator leaves the game around page 25?-30. total of 3 players out of 4 weigh in and none dispute GM's depiction. Ah, Well, at least that. The GM, if he really believes he and his OC chare a psychic connction and the world is a multiverse of fiction, needs help, though. |
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#24
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
Reached page 41. We now have all 4 players posting.
I've got to go deeper, I must know how this ends. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,389 Joined: 20-August 12 From: Bunbury, western australia Member No.: 53,300 ![]() |
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