 Nothing's Free in the Free Zone (OOC), Adventure 2: A Dish Best Served Cold |
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 Jan 24 2015, 12:41 AM
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Shooting Target  Group: Members Posts: 1,856 Joined: 25-July 07 Member No.: 12,360  |
QUOTE (PraetorGradivus @ Jan 23 2015, 05:35 PM)  I have the Hardware skill... but again, I didn't realize it needed 24 hits... doesn't matter as you don't need ownership to jack into a device and use it. I seriously doubt Grease is getting on the matrix to track down his RCC and order it to reboot to kick me off. You'd be surprised at what he'd be willing to do! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/cyber.gif) I am kidding, of course. I am very glad the game seems to have picked up the pace in my absence. I had a feeling that I was holding things back, and am particularly pleased it seems to have resumed it's previous breakneck pace. Thanks to you Praetor for stepping in and picking up where I left off, it looks as though the team will be well represented! Love the name of the van btw. Adios everyone! I'll stop by from time to time to throw some comments from the peanut gallery. It looks as though the infiltration is imminent! I look forward to whatever Lobo has planned to go against you guys, while Grease has his own worries in Lockup to deal with. -DrZ |
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Jan 24 2015, 01:20 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
Dr. Z you are always welcome to stop in and say hi! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
PG - its the Panthers, and unfortunately they got creamed tonight - 42 to 22 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) Still, the kids played hard, can't ask for more than that. Just got home, and I've got some stuff to do - I should have an answer for you later on tonight about the smartlink. |
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Jan 24 2015, 04:21 AM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
By my understanding, you still couldn't use the smartgun features unless you have a MARK on it, legitimately or otherwise. Now, the owner can always authorize someone to MARK the device if they want. Jacking into the smartlink directly would only allow an easier time hacking the thing, based on 5th Edition rules.
From what I recall, Grease authorized MARKs on two drones, so we should be able to use those free and clear (well, at least as free and clear as using the drones of someone who is currently detained by Lone Star could be). The issue is with Rhex, Grease's Doberman combat drone, which none of us were authorized to MARK. Sadly, Rhex is basically a paperweight right now. If push came to shove, Mel could try to hack MARKs on Rhex and order him to shoot stuff but, as Lobo pointed out, that would invite the ire of GOD. We've had a number of conversations throughout the game about how awful and confusing the Matrix rules concerning ownership, MARKs, PANs, WANs, etcs are. I have heard that Data Trails is the next big non-locality sourcebook coming out, but I'm not holding my breath on them fixing the morass in that one. |
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Jan 24 2015, 02:18 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
Ok, so I reread some of the sections in the rules about the Matrix, and to me, here is my take on it:
Anything with a physical function, like the trigger on the gun, or a toaster with a physical lever you could push down, or the equivalent, you would not need MARKs on the device to use, because you are physically using the device. Anything else requires a MARK to use it. It is the equivalent of every single device having a password protection on it. Want to use someone's commlink? You need the password. Want to send data from a sensor to your imagelink? You need a password - and passwords in SR5 manifest in the form of MARKs - either you own the device and have 4 MARKs on the item, or you are invited by the owner and can have up to 3, or you Hack or Brute Force up to three on the item, or Hack or Brute Force a Mark on the owner of the item and spoof the device to invite MARKs on it. Jack is correct - Grease had one of the Fly Spy drones and the Microskimmer invite MARKs from both Grease and Mel - I'm going to assume that both of them have 3 MARKs each on both drones. The other Fly Spy and Rhex are both unable to be used unless Mel hacks MARKS on them. |
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Jan 24 2015, 04:32 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 13-August 13 Member No.: 142,622 |
Now we know why people do wetwork instead of stealing cars in 2080s
...it's safer and easier to do,lol. |
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Jan 25 2015, 01:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 13-August 13 Member No.: 142,622 |
somehow, I double posted
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Jan 25 2015, 04:39 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (PraetorGradivus @ Jan 24 2015, 08:44 PM) somehow, I double posted No problem - it happens. I would say either delete the content of the second post and put "double post" - or, if you want to make it look prettier, cut your first post in half and put some of it in the first and some in the second (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) It seems like we are ready to go - what are our first steps? Sounds like Mel is going to send a Fly Spy over and go back into the Matrix - I just need programs and ASDF please. Snap, are you going to summon another spirit, if so force and type please. Jack and Sisco - are you doing anything or just heading over the wall? Also, if you guys wouldn't mind, just put in a spoiler box what you are carrying and mark what, if anything, you have running wireless with a (W) next to it - I am going to assume anything you have will be slaved to your commlink unless you say otherwise (except for Mel's stuff, which will be slaved to her deck.) If others want to have their stuff slaved to her deck - it will depend on how much room she has left. Her Renraku Tsurugi has a device rating of 3, and so can slave up to 9 devices to it. |
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Jan 25 2015, 06:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 13-August 13 Member No.: 142,622 |
I assume I can slave all my wireless stuff to my commlink and let her slave my commlink. Or does she have to slave everything individually?
Also, I'll be running everything that I indicate as running wirelessly, silent. |
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Jan 25 2015, 06:29 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
From what I recall, they got rid of daisy-chaining. A device can only ever be one or the other, master or slave, so Mel can only protect stuff that is slaved directly to her deck. Commlinks can generally provide better straight-up defenses (ignoring really high-end decks), but a cyberdeck can actually protect something from being spotted when running silently since it has a Sleeze rating.
@Lobo: Basically up and over the wall. I'll have to check to see what I brought with me. I'm probably going to be running pretty light on wireless-on gear. Or rather, be selective about it. I'll be turning the wireless on and off for some of my stuff, but will make note of it in my posts. |
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Jan 25 2015, 06:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 13-August 13 Member No.: 142,622 |
I really need to reread the wireless section...my brain is mush
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Jan 25 2015, 07:12 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (PraetorGradivus @ Jan 25 2015, 01:40 PM) I really need to reread the wireless section...my brain is mush Jack is correct, you can't daisy-chain PANs. Also, don't be too hard on yourself, I have literally, not figuratively, read the Matrix section 6 times from beginning to end, and individual sections of it more than that, and there are still things that I get wrong. |
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Jan 26 2015, 09:57 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 13-August 13 Member No.: 142,622 |
We have, since SR 3, played that you could not modify the barrel of an Ares Silvergun because it has an integral silencer, which is normally a barrel mounted accessory.
Howerver, R&G: Let’s start with the basics of how you’re going to add stuff to your weapon. When you want to add something to your weapon, it’s going to go into one of six places. 1) One top of the weapon; 2) Underneath the barrel of a weapon; 3) On the side of a weapon; 4) Internal to the weapon, meaning it is built into the weapon and integral to its systems; 5) Replacing or adding to the barrel; 6) Replacing or adding to the stock. By RAW, internal/integral (listed as location #4) is a separate location from barrel and so the Silvergun could receive a gas vent modification. This has nothing to do with what we're doing now but I ran across it while rereading rules- cause I'm tired of getting it wrong lately, especially wireless. I don't really care if the Silvergun can get a gas vent or not, because, honestly I think aim/burst fire is the way to go and the extra recoil comp is not as necessary if you use the weapon that way. And having reread the commlink rules I should have bought the throwaway Commlink until I could get a hand on the Caliban. Live and learn. |
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Jan 26 2015, 12:47 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
@PG,
I agree - the way it is worded, yes - the #4 slot is the silencer, leaving the #5 slot open. And to avoid taking up a lot of room in the OOC thread about the mounts, I've covered it below in a spoiler tag. [ Spoiler ]
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Jan 26 2015, 02:59 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
I forgot to add the rope to the order. We acquired it, but I forgot about it. Glad we actually did that!
Post: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...p;#entry1305433 |
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Jan 26 2015, 03:05 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Jan 26 2015, 09:59 AM) I forgot to add the rope to the order. We acquired it, but I forgot about it. Glad we actually did that! Post: http://forums.dumpshock.com/index.php?show...p;#entry1305433 Yes - I forgot about that too - that would have been inconvenient otherwise! Nice catch Jack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Jan 26 2015, 03:10 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
Also, just note, somewhere we got turned around and reverted back to the 11th of September. It's the 12th.
I'll take the rope. As far as the cases, anyone want to take them (or one of them)? I'm only going to be running two devices Wireless ON for the moment. Can I slave them to your deck, Mel? If not, not a big deal. ETA: Before we go over the wall, Jack is going to take a good hard look at the top of the wall to make sure there isn't any monowire or something that we're missing. |
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Jan 26 2015, 03:32 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
Also, I updated the Resources Tracker.
- Added Sisco: @PG I show you having 2,430 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) left over after Chargen, is that correct? - Deducted reagents and team funds for Snap's binding - Deducted team funds for the cases & rope - Adjusted the ammo tracker. I didn't include any Assault Rifle ammo since it seems like using Rhex might be more pain than it is worth. |
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Jan 26 2015, 03:53 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
Thanks again Jack (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
1) That was my fault with the date, it happened in post 251 in the IC thread - I've fixed mine - if the rest of you feel so inclined to go back and edit your last couple of posts to September 12, that would be cool - there are only a few posts per person that apply so it shouldn't take more than a minute. 2) 2430 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) is correct for Sisco 3) Jack looking at the wall is Int 3, + Perception 4 + Specifically Looking 3, + Vision Mag 1 +1: Your perception test is a doozy, and spots a thin strand of monowire along the top of the wall - good thing you checked (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) http://invisiblecastle.com/roller/view/4759925/ Apparently we can't use the "Insert Link" button anymore for Invisible Castle (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) |
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Jan 26 2015, 04:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 448 Joined: 13-August 13 Member No.: 142,622 |
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Jan 26 2015, 11:32 AM) Also, I updated the Resources Tracker. - Added Sisco: @PG I show you having 2,430 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) left over after Chargen, is that correct? I have it @ 2460 at the end of char generation.... |
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Jan 26 2015, 04:16 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (PraetorGradivus @ Jan 26 2015, 11:13 AM) I have it @ 2460 at the end of char generation.... I might have missed something - either way, I'm not going to quibble over 30 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) - you can make it 2460 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ETA - I updated the resource tracker. |
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Jan 26 2015, 04:21 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
Yuck... that monowire is going to put a crimp on things. Can it be cut? Would we know if that would raise an alarm?
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Jan 26 2015, 04:34 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Jan 26 2015, 11:21 AM) Yuck... that monowire is going to put a crimp on things. Can it be cut? Would we know if that would raise an alarm? I don't see any reason that the monowire couldn't be cut (your hand blade should do the job, for example). As for whether or not it sets off an alarm, none of you really have any way of knowing that, and you don't even have the appropriate knowledge skills really. (I'm thinking anything related to Security) I think that what makes the most sense, however, is that Jack, as detailed a planner as he is, will probably go with the "Better to be safe than sorry" and assume it will set off an alarm if cut. Mel, of course, will be very useful in trying to bypass said alarm (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) ETA - maybe I'm wrong about cutting it - I mean, they have to be able to fashion it somehow - does it seem unreasonable that your handblade would do it? Or do you think when you brought the handblade into contact with the monowire it would cut the handblade in half? |
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Jan 26 2015, 04:46 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,696 Joined: 8-August 13 Member No.: 140,284 |
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Jan 26 2015, 10:10 AM) I'll take the rope. As far as the cases, anyone want to take them (or one of them)? Snap can take one or both of them, except for when we're climbing up the rope, at which point she might find it difficult even to hold just one of them. But for the rest of the run, she can have them since casting doesn't require hand movements, and casting is pretty much all she's there for. |
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Jan 26 2015, 04:49 PM
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Skillwire Savant Group: Members Posts: 3,154 Joined: 5-April 13 From: Aurora Warrens, UCAS Sector of the FRFZ Member No.: 88,139 |
I think it's going to have to be a GM call, since SR monowire is, for lack of a better term, science magic. Monowire seems to work under a principle of tension and friction. I would think that, if a cutting edge was applied with slight pressure and slowly, you could cut monowire with a conventional blade.
With that said, if it is suspended above the top of the wall, it would have to be anchored at regular intervals around the fence (like little, widely spaced ramparts) to maintain the tension. If we can find one of those points, we could cut the anchor rather than the wire, I would think. |
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Jan 26 2015, 05:04 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,893 Joined: 8-August 13 From: New Jersey , USA Member No.: 140,076 |
QUOTE (Jack VII @ Jan 26 2015, 11:49 AM) I think it's going to have to be a GM call, since SR monowire is, for lack of a better term, science magic. Monowire seems to work under a principle of tension and friction. I would think that, if a cutting edge was applied with slight pressure and slowly, you could cut monowire with a conventional blade. With that said, if it is suspended above the top of the wall, it would have to be anchored at regular intervals around the fence (like little, widely spaced ramparts) to maintain the tension. If we can find one of those points, we could cut the anchor rather than the wire, I would think. Ok - that's what I sort of thought. Here's my ruling, for what it is worth (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) If you have a piece of taught monowire, and you just slammed your blade down on it, you would cut the blade, not the wire. If you, as you put it, slowly and with slight pressure slice at it, you can cut through it. Agreed the monowire is suspended over the top of the wall by supports. These supports, however, are metal and were drilled down into the top of the stone wall - so cutting the monowire might be easier. With the monowire, there probably will be some sort of backlash when you cut the wire, as the tension is released. Easiest thing to do would make it a Int+Reaction test threshold 3 to duck when the wire whips back from the release. (1 or 2 successes would still add to your damage resistance test, base damage would be 4P AP -4 (half the damage the fence would normally do, with half the AP of a monowhip). |
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