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post Jun 28 2019, 03:23 PM
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But that does not mean an effort originating in another country has no barriers to assisting in such a collaboration.
But barriers have significantly been reduced over the years, and there has been more and more individual interest.

I know for a fact that the German publisher would be open to such a cooperation, but they say CGL seems not interested.
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post Jun 30 2019, 11:17 AM
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And then take into consideration that the game Shadowrun is actually owned by Topps Inc. which complicates the environment for foreign contributers.
Many nations do not have a legal environment to handle such a situation and require special agreements. Many governments outside the US assume that developer and owner are on first observation the same entity, to give an exampe.
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post Jun 30 2019, 02:27 PM
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And then take into consideration that the game Shadowrun is actually owned by Topps Inc. which complicates the environment for foreign contributers.
Many nations do not have a legal environment to handle such a situation and require special agreements. Many governments outside the US assume that developer and owner are on first observation the same entity, to give an exampe.

Can't speak for Japan, but since every other non-US publisher is an EU country (where EU IP rights guidelines apply), there are extensive provisions for all cases that concern sublicenses and IP licensing in general, usually clarified in one direction or another by local governments and/or courts (for instance, the German Federal Economic Court recently ruled that sub-licenses don't automatically invalidate if the main license holder enters bankrupcy, and are not necessarily up for renegotiation by the liquidator in charge of the mine license holder).
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post Jun 30 2019, 06:59 PM
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There is now also a Brazilian Shadowrun publisher: Editora New Order.
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post Jun 30 2019, 07:38 PM
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QUOTE (lokii @ Jun 30 2019, 01:59 PM) *
There is now also a Brazilian Shadowrun publisher: Editora New Order.


I can believe it.
What brought me to Shadowrun to actually try it out was happening across a lot of Internet discussions about the new Catalyst agreement and the potential for "Sub-Publishers" to get involved.
It was my interest in how much attention that situation got that made me give in and check out the rules.
That was during the 4e and talk of 5e comming out soon time.
It actually ended up being about 2 years before 5e was released.
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There is now also a Brazilian Shadowrun publisher: Editora New Order.

Will they publish their own stuff too? Is there anything known about that?
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post Jun 30 2019, 10:02 PM
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Likely they are an element in the translation process, which in turn allows them to comment on content all potential source material.
Quite a few sourcebooks were released with focus on many regions yet had a simular look and feel. I think they were handled well and
it also makes me think there are several companies outside the US in the work process.
I expect more of the same.
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post Jul 1 2019, 02:57 PM
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Will they publish their own stuff too? Is there anything known about that?

Not to my knowledge. But maybe you can find something out from their website. As a starting point the Shadowrun product catalog is here: https://newordereditora.com.br/categoria-pr.../shadowrun-rpg/
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Any independent sourcebook will have to be fan fiction. Very hard to get work like that out under the distribution cycle of the approved material.
I'm thinking the German only books were possible as the company also reprints older edition books and has some rights to the resources.
Were there any sourcebooks that were released for Germany alone in 5e?
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post Jul 1 2019, 05:07 PM
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I think you have the wrong impression. Here is a list: https://shadowhelix.de/Meta:%C3%9Cbersicht_...genproduktionen There were already roughly a dozen publications for 4th Edition and more than double that for 5th. And it's possible that Pegasus never obtained the license for the material from before they took over from Fanpro, because they never republished books from earlier editions in digital form.
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QUOTE (lokii @ Jul 1 2019, 01:07 PM) *
I think you have the wrong impression. Here is a list: https://shadowhelix.de/Meta:%C3%9Cbersicht_...genproduktionen There were already roughly a dozen publications for 4th Edition and more than double that for 5th. And it's possible that Pegasus never obtained the license for the material from before they took over from Fanpro, because they never republished books from earlier editions in digital form.


They do nice work too! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)

I remember discussions about Pegasus around the same time Catalyst was taking up Shadowrun.
They were acquiring some rights to the Trademark as well, someting which I found curious. I never thought a seperate language development cycle was the goal or would be doable. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/question.gif)
Does anyone know of any other companies outside the US doing the same?
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post Jul 2 2019, 07:13 AM
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Does anyone know of any other companies outside the US doing the same?

Black Book Editions, the French publisher, just kickstartered (and published) a new France booklet, whose content actually made its way into the France paragraph in the Encyclopedia.

Most non-English publishers coordinate what they write with the American side so everything stays smooth (enough). Has been done that way since the early days of German publishing (the original Germany Sourcebook is the only book the American side ever actually translated). There have been other native-language publications, notably a Hungary sourcebook (in Hungarian), the first France book, and a Japan book (in Japanese), complete with introductionary Manga (a fanslation of which can be read here).

Sub-license contracts usually detail where such coordination is required; the German publisher, Pegasus Games, for instance, has the right to publish and coordinate about all entire German-speaking countries (Germany, Austria, Switzerland).
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Just glancing at the German Sourcebook formats......
I have to say I love the Datapuls News narration. I don't speak German but again it's about format on first glance.
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post Jul 2 2019, 02:08 PM
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They're pretty awesome. Basically they're what the Cities in Shadow PDF series always wanted to be.

German SR has a monthly freebie - currently it's Schattenload, which has locations, gear or game aid, but as long as the timeline was running more or less coherently, it was Novapuls, a newssheet with in-game news items, as well as a job offer sidebar and occasional special features (like Christmas Specials). The News is shaped like these, just somewhat smaller, more narrowly focused on the Datapuls' topic, and with less images (Andreas AAS Schroth does most of the Novapuls art and is the driving force behind the whole thing).
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post Jul 3 2019, 06:32 AM
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QUOTE (Jaid @ Jun 23 2019, 11:28 AM) *
well, they have an errata team already, so it sounds like at least they're trying to look like they're trying to improve.

...

that said, i have my doubts about the errata team getting anything in before the first printing. and there isn't really a huge difference between not having an errata team and not using an errata team.


The errata team, last I checked, is literally one or two freelancers working unpaid and a few fans from the official forums, and the only place any of their work seems to have been used is Missions.
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QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jul 3 2019, 12:32 AM) *
The errata team, last I checked, is literally one or two freelancers working unpaid and a few fans from the official forums, and the only place any of their work seems to have been used is Missions.



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Three Nazis walk into a BAR. They don't get up. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Seriously though, CGL is showing a frustrating lenience towards Nazis on its staff, and has throughout Hardy's rein, starting with WAR. Following up on those big words in reality (by letting them go/blacklisting them), macho chest-drumming aside, would be a good start. That enough clarification for you?


Isn't the 'Arebeit Macht Frei' sidebar still in the most recent prints (and PDFs) of War!? I'll quote it again here, because fuck CGL for ever having published it.

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WORK BRINGS FREEDOM

Oswiecim was under a spiritual barrier for a number of years. Oswiecim was home to Auschwitz-Birkenau, the most well known of the Nazi party’s concentration camps. During the Holocaust, 1.1 million people died within its walls. This led it to become one of the most haunted places on the planet. Ghosts of all shapes and sizes dwelled within, frightening out or murdering all residents of Oswiecim. Because of the sheer magnitude of the haunting, a great number of other things found home there.

For the inclined occult investigator, Auschwitz-Birkenau is a treasure trove. It’s also a remarkably dangerous trap. Earlier this year, an entrepreneur named Tetsuo Shuumatsu hired a cabal of sorcerers, charging them with the removal of the barrier. He’s an arms dealer, one who specializes in the weapons necessary to take down ghosts. With such an infestation of ghosts, only a silly buyer would hesitate to pay top dollar for his wares. His greed opened this treasure trove to the public, allowing those without a sense of self-preservation to have a unique opportunity to drudge for necromantic artifacts.

The town proper is effectively still a town, albeit a town inhabited by the angry and hungry dead. They don’t take kindly to the living, but aren’t necessarily hostile unless provoked. Many are simply living out echoes of their past existences as harmless villagers. The real problem comes from the concentration camps proper. The three main campuses are surrounded by about fifty smaller camps. Each of the smaller camps is a hotbed of supernatural activity, but nothing compared to the magnitude of the central collective.

In particular, Auschwitz II is remarkable. It was the source of the vast majority of deaths—it’s what most people think of when referencing Auschwitz. It’s nightmare made flesh, almost a living organism unto itself. The halls audibly scream and cry, the ghosts beg for release so much that most people couldn’t even hear themselves speak. For your average runner, Auschwitz II is suicide. Only the most enterprising groups will survive the trip. But such a trip can result in great rewards (see The Fleshfinder, below).

THE FLESHFINDER

Deep within the bowels of Auschwitz II during WWII, Dr. Eduard Wirths conducted and supervised thousands of odd experiments on the human body. He tested mustard gas on innocents. He mutilated twins. He held people in tanks of ice water for hours or until dead. He exposed prisoners to malaria. He forced them to drink seawater. One particular implement from his experiments, a rusted old scalpel, was left in the labs. Over many years, it was energized by the various ghosts passing by it, feeding off their death energies. At this point, it’s taken on a life of its own.

The rusty old scalpel craves death. It only finds itself at home when flush with warm blood. Although this makes it a remarkably effective weapon, anyone holding it is subject to the sounds of its past victims. As a function of this, when the weapon is in hand, the character is considered distracted and suffers a –4 dice pool modifier to all Perception Tests. If she attempts to Observe in Detail as a Simple Action, she only suffers a –2 dice pool modifier.
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Edit: Of course it is, just checked the preview on DRTPG, and there it is in the contents.
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QUOTE (binarywraith @ Jul 3 2019, 02:32 AM) *
The errata team, last I checked, is literally one or two freelancers working unpaid and a few fans from the official forums, and the only place any of their work seems to have been used is Missions.


oh, i wouldn't be at all surprised if that describes their current state of affairs too. i was just noting that they actually at least care enough to try and *look* like they're doing something, which is an improvement sadly enough.

truthfully, the biggest and most telling omission from the errata team would be someone that can actually push those corrections into the books. no editors. no managers. no actual full time employees of the company that actually work in the office. a handful of people is probably fine, *if* one of those people is actually making sure the work they do actually goes somewhere instead of just sitting in a file somewhere.
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QUOTE (Jaid @ Jul 3 2019, 02:21 AM) *
oh, i wouldn't be at all surprised if that describes their current state of affairs too. i was just noting that they actually at least care enough to try and *look* like they're doing something, which is an improvement sadly enough.

truthfully, the biggest and most telling omission from the errata team would be someone that can actually push those corrections into the books. no editors. no managers. no actual full time employees of the company that actually work in the office. a handful of people is probably fine, *if* one of those people is actually making sure the work they do actually goes somewhere instead of just sitting in a file somewhere.


The caring was definitely not at CGL's level. It was more a thing that happened to shut up the people who'd been telling them for five whole years that they had basic typos in the core book, and random responses in the several hundred page rules questions thread were not sufficient for official rulings. Also, that omission is exactly the state of it IIRC. Remember, freelancers. They don't have any control over what gets into books. That's Hardy's gig, and he manifestly ran out of fucks to give years ago.
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Edit: Of course it is, just checked the preview on DRTPG, and there it is in the contents.

Of course it is. This is the American edition. Not to go off on a tangent here, but it was removed from the German edition for several reasons, some of them moral, some of them more legal in nature. However, even if this wasn't dangerously skirting hate speech laws, the publisher would have faced quite a backlash on this stuff from local fans (and the wider gaming community).
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Of course it is. This is the American edition. Not to go off on a tangent here, but it was removed from the German edition for several reasons, some of them moral, some of them more legal in nature. However, even if this wasn't dangerously skirting hate speech laws, the publisher would have faced quite a backlash on this stuff from local fans (and the wider gaming community).

i recall getting into a discussion with someone from germany who was extremely upset that there was a vehicle named the blitzkrieg, something which was not directly part of the holocaust (yes, it's not exactly unrelated, but you can have blitzkrieg without rounding up all the people you don't like and murdering them, torturing them, enslaving them, and so forth, and you can have the holocaust without blitzkrieg).

i can't imagine an entire section about auschwitz would have gone over well at all.
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I myself use sensitive subject matter to bring the playing group closer together.
And in my opinion the RPG culture in General has at times been for some a chance to exclude as many as possible from the experience.

My opinion.
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I myself use sensitive subject matter to bring the playing group closer together.
And in my opinion the RPG culture in General has at times been for some a chance to exclude as many as possible from the experience.

My opinion.

Alot depends on the nature of the sensitive subject matter and how it relates to the players.

Which is why a Session Zero is so important.


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Alot depends on the nature of the sensitive subject matter and how it relates to the players.

Which is why a Session Zero is so important.


a lot also depends on the handling. "you can go into auschwitz and loot nazi-themed magical items that will fill your ears with the screams of suffering holocaust victims" is not what i would describe as the ideal way to handle that...
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i can't imagine an entire section about auschwitz would have gone over well at all.

Depends a lot on how it's handled. Shadows of Europe's section was tolerable. WAR's was not. Probably a good idea not to let 4channers anywhere near such a subject, though.

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And in my opinion the RPG culture in General has at times been for some a chance to exclude as many as possible from the experience.

My opinion.

Well, if you use dungeon runs to destroy "bitter" jew ghosts for the ultimate jew vulva mutilator +2 (I wish I was making this up) to tie your group closer together, that says a lot about your group, but probably isn't all that common (hopefully). Also, what is your opinion informed by? If you have nothing backing this up, it's not an opinion, it's at best bias.
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I myself use sensitive subject matter to bring the playing group closer together.
And in my opinion the RPG culture in General has at times been for some a chance to exclude as many as possible from the experience.

My opinion.


Sensitive topics can be done well. Look to Charnel Houses of Europe: The Shoah for an example of how to do this one well.

A ghostbusting dungeon crawl is the opposite of doing this well.
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