Well, I'm in (and from) the SoCal - Los Angeles area, so I guess I'm underwater or something now, huh? Sad thing is, doesn't bother me that much. I want to get out of here and move to Eugene Oregon or there abouts, but according to canon, I guess I won't fair much better there... :eek:

Ahhhh!! He mentioned the sinking of LA! :grinbig:

I live in Mickeytown (Orlando, FL); I really don't know where we sit! Let's see... CAS; Carib League only gets Miami and the Keys. . . Seminoles don't seem to get any land back. . . other than that, I'm clueless. Never picked up SONA. (shrug)

Really? Eeeenteresting.

Kansas (both KS and MO) have less than a 2% Asian makeup today. It'll be higher in 2070, but hardly enough to make the Triads or Yaks more than a minor nuisance.

Organized crime in Kansas has historically been done by white people and black people - unsurprising considering who lives there (almost half of the people in Kansas City are White, almost a third are Black - and that's including the fact that Kansas has more stringent social requirements for counting as White or Black than does California). Major historical organized crime rings in Kansas have been American Sicilian Mafia, Irish Mafia (see "Kansas City Family"), Iranian Embezzlement Schemes (see "Indian Springs Bank"), Good Old Boy Smuggling (see "Kansas City Masacre"), Child Pornographers (though that was due to a since closed loophole in the Kansas rules of digital enforcement), militant Hate Groups (see "Westborough Baptist Church"), and CIA payoffs to dictators (see "Kansas Liberia Connection" and "Saudi Kansas Payoffs").

So the organized crime you'll see in Kansas really doesn't look a lot like what you see in coastal areas. It's not based on smuggling things through the waterfront, there isn't any fucking waterfront (well, there's the river, but you know what I mean). What you see is influence peddling, and severe white collar crime. And you see really chicken-shit third rate criminal groups who do their smuggling out the back of a Chevy Malibu. You see seriously rich dudes with blood on their hands walk off a plane in Charles B. Wheeler Airport, and you see dudes running child prostitution rings out of their shed.

What organized crime has going for it is that it isn't coastal. People don't know what to look for. You can have a meth lab running constantly and people will pretty much leave you alone. Kansas has a huge meth sub culture and almost no public awareness of meth. It's also a hub for computer crime because of the low levels of awareness and oversight. Expect Kansas in 2070 to be a huge depot of BTL. People will have shelves full of dream chips in plain sight and won't get hastled by the popos.

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So let's get extrapolating:

In 2070 you have a major criminal gang that is straight up a front for an African Warlord. I'm not kidding, and this wouldn't even be the first time this happened. They bring women and children in from Somalia, using naturalized citizens and fake documentation to get them across the border as "family". Then they keep them in locked buildings and sell the use of their bodies to people who don't care if their partners speak English.

In 2070 you have a group of Voudounistas displaced from the CAS after the "Shedim Scare" was used to crack down even harder on Houngans in New Orleans. These Francophone or just plain weird guys have a tough time being accepted by Kansas society and don't get hired for honorable work much. Militant followers of the Loa do the standard immigrant crime stuff backed up with the power of strange magic and possession. Really it works very much like a Triad Tong except that it has family and friends in Havana instead of Hong Kong.

In 2070 you have a major group of secessionists. They believe that Kansas should have joined the Confederacy, and they don't think that the Confederacy is doing its part to stop blacks and orks. They perform good old fashion protection rackets and small time smuggling - mostly of weapons and street-grade drugs. Their connections end at the Aztlan border so they are forced to rely on drugs that can be made in Kansas and Missouri - Meth, Marijuana, and other things that start with M.

In 2070 you have a group of Matrix criminals who stay in Kansas because of the low enforcement levels and lower land values. Do they have ties to Dissonance Talkers? Maybe, maybe not. But they do make a lot of BTLs, probably some really nasty ones.

In 2070 you have the North American base of an Arabian Assassin Cult. And yes, I'm serious - wouldn't be the first time. They stay in Kansas due to its central location and perform murder for hire throughout North America.

But no Yaks. Some Yak come in and try to do his business in Kansas and a good ol boy would throw a barrel full of gasoline through his windshield.

-Frank

I'm thinking the bus tunnel under Westlake Mall that then goes under 3rd Avenue would be a good place to start looking :)

OK that's it, If to get nothing but sastisfaction I'm going to be writing up some thing on Canada (and I already have some Ideas)

Yep. The trouble with running a campaign based in a 2070 Madison is that while it would probably be part of a metroplex/sprawl with Milwaukee by then, there would be no underground anything; no subways, no trog underground, nada. The area is wetland; Madison is built on a swamp.

On the other hand, the area is already pretty heavy into biotech and technology, so it could be played the same way as Gibson's Chiba, only with some feasibility (I've been to Chiba, it's all fish and industry). And I don't see why some part of (if not most of) the population of Chicago wouldn't flee there. It's not like they don't already; Madison was a popular place for gangsters to get away from it all in the 1920's and 30's. Actually, it still is.

Wow... I'm gunna save this. Got some nice detail and some extrapolations and tidbits, so its just what I was looking for.

Much thanks. :D

Canada does seem to get screwed in all the official books. I guess it could be to do with the lack of population. The only thing I can't get over is all the NAN nations. Yeah, they had magic. I don't know what the population of natives are down south but in Canada you're looking at under a million natives. Thats from the stats Canadian. I'm not 100% on what they count as native but I know you can get a status card at 1/8 native and for metis status you can just be married to one. For some reason I would have figured once the rest of the world got magic there would have been some more wars and the face of North America would have looked way different. That said, I would imagine in SR everything outside of UCAS, CAS, and CalFree would be wilderness.

Don't forget about all the tunnels connecting every building on campus, which means all of downtown. And this is one of the places leading internet infrastructure development, notice all the wireless and IPv6. So there's reason for a lot of computer and bio tech to be located in MadTown.

...and the reason the economy in 2070 would be pretty solid provided it was allowed to continue flourishing. I do have Madison as a major player in the tech scene.

Milwaukee on the other hand has re-established itself as the major manufacturing centre it once was. It is also the largest shipping port on the western Great Lakes what with the mess down in Chicago and consequently has become a major railhead/overland terminus as well. Of course, as I mentioned in a PM, SK has also a strong presence here due to the city's deep Austro-Germanic roots, with a very gothic looking arcology located near the old Third Ward.

As I also mentioned in the PM walking on the streets of the city is almost like stepping back in both time and to another place. One warning, don't mess with the State Police, they are modeled after Austria's Gendarme.

In regards to my Boise post earlier: As far as crime goes we have one of the more violent/aggressive PDs outside of Cali in the West, with a pretty high ratio of officer involved shootings. I've also heard about the BPD having a little trouble with Russian organized crime in the last few years, so in 2070 the Vory might be pretty firmly entrenched. We also have quite a bit of problems with minor gangs(Drive-bys, Meth factories) and migrant worker incidental crime (people smuggling, theft, illegals, etc.). The weirdest crime thing to happen in the last year or so was when a guy slammed his car into a woman driving her daughter to school, and when the cops got there they found the severed head of the dude's wife in his trunk.

If you know anyting about Boise, you'd understand why it would be prime real estate in the Sixth world. 2 military bases within 30 miles (Gowen Field Airbase and Mtn. Home AFB), a thriving tech/corporate sector (Micron Semiconductors and Washington Group Intl (Formerly Morrison Knudsen) and Albertsons foods all have corporate HQs here), some primo wilderness spaces within fifty miles (Payette National Forest, Snake and Boise Rivers, etc.), and tons of resources in the mountains and forests surrounding it (There's a half dozen or so hydropower/Geothermal plants in the area, Idaho led the nation in silver mining at one point in history and its not called the Gem State for nothing.) The area (and the whole state really) has a rich significance in Native history for the Sioux and other regional AmerInds.

Boise's only regional rival for urbanization for 400 miles or so is the Spokane/Coeur D'Alene area, so it would likely be a major population center for the Salish-Shidhe. It's been mentioned in official fiction that Boise and the surrounding area have been the target of several Salish/Tir scuffles over border lines and resources. I'm not sure how much shadowbusiness would get done here (aside from A LOT of smuggling given the border situation) , but it would certainly be a small feather in the Salish bonnet.

Texas. We get hosed repeatedly. Then our occupied land gets used in an attempt to destroy the world.

Frank, I like your style of Shadowrun.

Anyway, going to throw in my two cents on what Minnesota should be like. And the answer to that, in terms of big events anyway, is pretty dang boring. Looking at the maps and the li'l canon information I can find, I see no reason to believe that Canada didn't absorb the brunt of the unrest from the NAN uprising. Minnesota should more or less be what it always has been since WWII: an overlooked but vital technology and mining sector. There's no doubt in my mind that companies/facilities like 3M, the Mayo Health System, Medtronic, and the IBM/Hitachi facility in Rochester would be prime targets for acquisition as the megacorps got rolling. In other words, I'm sure Minnesota will be "peaceful", and relatively free from the big Orgs, but only because the Corps came in and quickly assumed their position as Big Brother with little resistance.

I live in Vermont, and as best I can figure, not much would be different even by 2070. Newer tech for the home, and the Matrix would make us more connected.

Vermont biggest city has 200,000 people if you include its suberbs, and the whole state only has 600,000 people. Most of the state is rural, we like it that way, and have strict laws and regulations to keep it from being over-developed.

As for shadowruns, we do currently have one of the worlds best micro-chip production facilities. If there is much smuggling between UCAS and Quebec, some of it would be going through Vermont. If you are looking for a place to grow organic awakened crops, this would be a good place, due to the clean environment.

Not all of downtown, just the campus west of Park Street or so. The water table is at about the same level as the lake, as one out-of-town contractor discovered while trying to build a condo with underground parking back in 2000. Personally, I haven't found an accessible tunnel that got me further east than Bascom Hill.

True dat.

...Bascom Hill, now that does take me back, I once played the carillon in the tower, quite a trip. Also played on the Eastman Hall organ and at the chapel on the corner of State and Lake by Memorial Library (is it still there?).

Yep. There's new construction there, behind the Pres House, but they're not knocking anything down. The PH is building student housing in the lot they were leasing to the University for parking.

...cool. they have a wonderful German built Tracker organ (at least they did when I was there), small, but very complete tonally. Do they still play the Carillon on Sundays?

I live now across an ocean, but I was born in Chicago and spent there the first fouryears of my life (and oddly I still remember the scenery, even though I've moved to Israel 21 years ago). Funny thing is that the place where my father used to work (a rented office in downtown Chicago) is going to be within the CZ by 2055, and probably the place where we lived (on Lincoln Park West Avenue IIRC) as well...

I live in Frankfort, Kentucky, along the southern side of the "Golden Triangle marked by Interstates 64,75, and 71. Our big claim to fame is being the state capitol and home of Kentucky State University (The smallest in the state, and the only one to actually shrink in recent years), Rebecca-Ruth candies, and three whiskey distilleries that change hands roughly once every fifteen years each.

By the 2070s, I expect he entire Golden Triangle (of I64, I75, and I71) will be one huge conurbation except for Owen County, Henry County, and the northern reaches of Scott County. In Lexington, Lexmark will have been gobbled up by a AAA (I'm guessing Novatech), and Yarmalton Pike, Elkcester Road, I64/75, and Man O' War Boulevard will together become the new New Circle Road.

The real question is what conference will the Uiversity of Kentucky play in, since the CAS succession will doubtless split them from the rest of the Southeastern Conference.

I'm in Cheeseland too. Made La Crosse into a real drekhole in our campaign - C to Z zone for the city proper, an Ares mining/production facility in West Salem (yeah, I know there's nothing worth mining in the area, needed a good reason for a substantial Ares presence ;) ). Plus, the whole area (area meaning La Crosse, LaCresent, West Salem, Onalaska, Trempleau, up to Winnona) has some strange astral disturbances on occasion coupled with a problem with sporadic appearances of rogue Evil Dead-like possessing spirits. It was a blast :D

Hey KK, when you get the southern end of the state done, are you going to post it? If not, can I get a copy?

...kind of of sad, it's such beautiful country over there.

For metal mining I'd have to set things further north & central where the old Iron deposits once were. Although...there could have been rumours of Natural Orichalcium deposits similar to those in Wales. Hmmm...lend a real good meaning to the nickname "God's Country." Now if Ares messed up old Granddad's Bluff, they will have some serious questions to answer. And if they closed down the Leinenkugle's Brewery, up in Menominee, there will be hell to pay.

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...[Elsie's Wrath repositioning...Link to Big Cheese Array confirmed...Firing mode: Wide Spread, Firing sequence status: Armed. Hey, Ares! :nyah: Bovines away! ]
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Back to all seriousness...

...Not sure how I will present the material since I do not have a personal website to make a link to. It would be way too long to post here even using [ spoiler ] tags (kind of like Knasser's Carnival). When I'm finished with the Milwaukee segment I could request RL email addresses from anyone interested and send it as an attachment. Right now things are on a bit of a hold as I am thick into running my Rhapsody in Shadow campaign (set in Europe).