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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 343 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,212 ![]() |
OK, noob here (bows to everyone (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif) )... Kanada the Street Sammie on p101 of the PDF version of the SR4 core book has Cybereyes. Therefore he has an image link and an eye recorder for free) Now on pg 228 of the PDF version of the SR4 Core book it states: "Simrigs (both worn and implanted) and cranial commlinks also contain sim modules." So to me, this says that the implanted Commlink has a free sim module. Yes we are already aware of that, but as I pointed out, and kanada ten pointed out our print versions of the books do not mention commlinks at all. I have the first edition printing of the book on pdf, and it does mention cranial commlinks having them, but my actual hardcopy fourth printing of the book doesn't say anything at all about them. That is the problem. We have four versions of the book. Half of them (1, 3) say cranial commlinks do, half them (2, 4) say nothing about them having one. So which one is correct? There is equal evidence for both sides. EDIT Don't want it to sound like I am jumping you. Just putting out that we know what the book says, but we got the same book (different printings) saying two different things. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 ![]() |
"Fresh meat! I can make so may improvements!" You got that right, but apprantly some printings don't have the crenial commlink part. Which is totally weird, since the errata does not mention it, and the words disappeared in 2nd printing, reappered in 3rd and then disappeared again in 4th. So right know, stick with what makes you comfortable. Do you have the Fifth printing by any chance? I guess the PDF version should be available now. I think I have the Fifth edition (can't for the life of me find the edition number) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,173 Joined: 27-July 05 From: some backwater node Member No.: 7,520 ![]() |
Should be somewhere at the end of the Table of Content pages. That would be page 13 with me, should be same for you.
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 ![]() |
looked on page 13, and I found this:
"Version 1.0 by FanPro LLC, Chicago, Illinois, USA. Based on first printing with additional corrections" The PDF file name is FPR26000_SR4acr5.pdf if that helps. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 19-January 08 Member No.: 15,368 ![]() |
looked on page 13, and I found this: "Version 1.0 by FanPro LLC, Chicago, Illinois, USA. Based on first printing with additional corrections" The PDF file name is FPR26000_SR4acr5.pdf if that helps. This is what mine has too. Whee for inconsistent printings. I wonder what else changed that no one knows about. |
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
I have the PDF, version 1.3 (says on page 13 'based on second printing with additional corrections). I believe this is the latest version of the PDF, as it was not updated with the 4th printing IIRC (if not I'll be pissed off at not getting an update notice).
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,173 Joined: 27-July 05 From: some backwater node Member No.: 7,520 ![]() |
Remember the whole FanPro/Catalyst switch? Yes, it's pretty much time to get pissed (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
I'm not pissed that there is an update to the hardcopy but not the PDF. I would be upset if there was an actual updated PDF (4th printing) before the Catalyst change. The change of ownership (or whatever) is something beyond their control.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,173 Joined: 27-July 05 From: some backwater node Member No.: 7,520 ![]() |
Yes it is beyond their control, but if things got messed up, it was during that change. And my "get pissed" suggestion was to get pissed in general, not at anyone specificly. Release your anger, come to the dark side. Ahem.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 343 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,212 ![]() |
Be nice if they released it into the errata. Say "Yes they get one" or "No you have to buy the seperate headware."
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 ![]() |
Adam mentioned that an updated PDF was in the works in a thread somewhere.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 2-September 07 From: In the AGS, underwater Member No.: 13,049 ![]() |
back to the original topic: I just had a look at SR4.01D:
QUOTE ("Zeh Germans") Kommlink: Eine Implantatversion des Kommlinks [...] Enthält ein integriertes Sim-Modul. In English: QUOTE ("Zeh Translation") An implant version of the commlink [...] Includes an integrated Sim-module. Mind you to take this with a grain of salt as the German translations happened to wander off before. Edit: It also lists the Hot-Sim Modification under the Commlink entry in the corresponding Headware table on the same page, not under Sim-module as the english BBB. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,173 Joined: 27-July 05 From: some backwater node Member No.: 7,520 ![]() |
This commlink business is so incredibly messed up. A nice errata on that topic would be nice, I guess.
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 ![]() |
When all things are said and done, it's just 0.2 essence, and 2000 nuyen that you have to spend more or less.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,173 Joined: 27-July 05 From: some backwater node Member No.: 7,520 ![]() |
That's what I said, but there is a considerable faction that claims you have to throw in the sim module for another 0.2 essence and 2/5k (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) .
Funny thing is, this mess started because of datajacks (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,173 Joined: 27-July 05 From: some backwater node Member No.: 7,520 ![]() |
Dammit.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 343 Joined: 30-January 06 Member No.: 8,212 ![]() |
I'm pretty sure that it was the Sim Module to which Fuchs was referring, since implanted commlinks cost more than 2k. Well depends on how you look at it. Since you would have spent the money on the commlink anyways. The implanted one really only "costs" you 2k. Since that 6k or whatever extra for the commlink is 6k you would have spent on an external one anyways. |
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
Well, we are already assuming the purchase of the internal commlink is a given. What is up for debate is whether the Sim Module (.2 Essence/2000k) is a necessary addition. Makes sense that he would recap what the actual discussion entailed, as opposed to pointing out the stats for something that is already a given.
But whatever ... it isn't really that important. |
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Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 ![]() |
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Immoral Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 ![]() |
I don't know about you, but I find even .2 Essence can be quite important when you are trying to squeeze in upgrades.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 19-January 08 Member No.: 15,368 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 259 Joined: 2-September 07 From: In the AGS, underwater Member No.: 13,049 ![]() |
Yup.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 206 Joined: 19-January 08 Member No.: 15,368 ![]() |
Well depends on how you look at it. Since you would have spent the money on the commlink anyways. The implanted one really only "costs" you 2k. Since that 6k or whatever extra for the commlink is 6k you would have spent on an external one anyways. Essentially just reiterating Fortune's comment, but the .2 essence is the thing I get twitchy about. I don't mind if a hot-sim modified cranial commlink costs 3K or 5K extra, but when I'm already making a practical cyberzombie with all the ware I tend to cram in, paying an extra 0.2 essence kind of sucks. |
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