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post Feb 20 2008, 05:05 AM
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QUOTE (stevebugge @ Feb 19 2008, 11:22 PM) *
However DC has also been done to death with the Dunkie for Prez arc of campaigns. Atlanata as someone suggested has been englected and the CAS is in the mix a bit more in the developing plots. Portland really does have a lot to be explained about how it got from where it was in Shadows of North America to how it is Described in 2070.

Well, quite frankly I've given up on Portland. And I think the idea of CAS worrying about a Pueblo stretched far too thin is rather ludicrous. If North America wasn't pretty much guaranteed a slot, I think there are better cities than any here. Boise has all the potential of the South American tri-border region except that one of the borders has immortal elves, and two are countries facing the burden of occupying less-than pleasant neighbors. It or St. Louis really deserve coverage more than any capital city.


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The Corp vs. Corp stuff gets old when you get a steady diet of it, besides Brussels or Geneva will probably get some ink in the new Corporate Book, silly or not the Grand Tour is different, it gets away from the whole "nothing personal just business" stuff in to the realm of personal intrigue.

Well, the NEEC seems pretty chock full of more than just corp on corp action.

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The main attraction to Korea is that it's a major Asian State and has gotten comparatively little ink in previous products. The idea of it being the net domino to fall in the crumbling of Japan's empire is intriguing.

I hardly see why not being covered more in SoA gives it special preference.


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I like the sentiment but I don't think Mogadishu is a great choice for this one. If anything it's likely to be a hotbed of NIJ activity though it's probably stabilized a lot in ~2070.

Or, you know, someone could be creative and not just rehash current events.

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Zanzibar in a lot of ways is exactly what you're trying to shoehorn Mogadishu in to, and is proximate enough to the Kilimanjaro Mass Driver to have a Corp Angle as well.

To be honest, I figure Nairobi will hold that situation for a while.

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On the other hand I was leaning towards Desert Wars staging areas because Desert Wars really is only semi-developed as an Insitution (and apparently it's a major insitution in the Corp world) and it gives the Mercenary campaigns a bit more to play with in addition to offering something for the spies and traditional Runners

IDEX in Dubai pretty much fills the role for most of the plot hooks about Desert Wars in Target: Wastelands. Besides, why does it have to be the Libyan games? Why not turn to Urumqi and the CSI:Miami of Desert Wars, Desert Wars:Gobi?

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Thar she blows!

That's the book I was trying to think of. Thanks. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

And it has quite a collection of potential features itself.
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post Feb 20 2008, 05:12 AM
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I want to throw in for atlanta, miami, seoul, london, and bucharest.



what about orlando and anaheim? is there any info on disney in the 2070's?
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QUOTE (thorr @ Feb 20 2008, 12:12 AM) *
I want to throw in for atlanta, miami, seoul, london, and bucharest. what about orlando and anaheim? is there any info on disney in the 2070's?

Why in God's name would Orlando matter?
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post Feb 20 2008, 07:04 AM
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I would defitely love St Louis and Austin getting writeups since I lived in Missouri until 4 years ago when I moved to Texas.
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post Feb 20 2008, 08:15 AM
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Portland. Lots of action going on there in my game.
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post Feb 20 2008, 08:39 AM
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We will be staying with the 2 major sprawls detailed and 4-5 secondary locations spotlighted format for the location books. We also make a point that all the sprawls constitute very different backdrops and offer different types of hooks while remaining true to the theme of the book.
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post Feb 20 2008, 09:02 AM
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Something to think about:

Since there are about 7 major regions of the Shadowrun world, and only 6 or 7 cities get featured in a book in any capacity, you have to content yourself with just one city from each region. So rather than contemplating how cool it would be if they did San Francisco and Portland (or whatever), try to figure out which city in a region is really the most important. Basically you could get a city from:

  • North America
  • Latin America
  • Asia
  • The Islamic World
  • Africa
  • Europe
  • South Asia/Oceania


Now obviously there is substantial overlap. Bucharest can be culturally identified as part of Europe, part of Asia (because of the heavy Russian influence), and part of the Islamic World (because of the heavy Turkic influence). Saigon could be reasonably assessed as part of the Pacific and also as part of Asia. Cairo is part of Africa but also a key part of the Middle East. Tenochtitlan is part of North America and also part of Latin America. And so on.

So while you could grab one of the border cities and call it as part of one region and get another city from inside the same region, you would be doing a grave disservice to the Shadowrun world and community by grabbing two cities from the same region - because another corner of the globe would have to go hungry altogether.

Personally, my choice list would be:

  • Los Vegas
  • Bogota
  • Chengdu
  • Bucharest
  • Cairo
  • London
  • Saigon


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post Feb 20 2008, 10:01 AM
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Shadowrun Las Vegas...

I'll only play if I get to put my smart glasses on dramatically while making witty quips. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

I second any sort of vote for Saigon, I personally don't think Asia gets nearly enough love in the SR world (but thanks for giving us Hong Kong). Vietnam is perfectly located for all sorts of smuggling, magical bits, and general craziness.
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post Feb 20 2008, 11:09 AM
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London, in my opinion, is a must. It's a great place to run with a very different feel from other printed settings, certainly qualifies as a city of intrigue and hopefully will get the treatment it deserves. Not to mention the other 2 Inferno clubs have already been done (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) .
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post Feb 20 2008, 02:25 PM
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Wasn't London already done in depth in the London Sourcebook and Shadows of Europe? If you MUST do an English city, do Liverpool. Liverpool is more cyberpunk than the smoke is. I mean heck, right now the mayor of Liverpool refuses to go out at night because of the crime. Can't say that about London, now can you? Just look at Liverpool's city motto, "we probably won't kick your arse". That's cyberpunk, right there.
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Cyberpunk is about glamor and plastic in addition to pain and crime. Cities of Intrigue is more about the former than the latter. You aren't looking for places that have a large number of people living in fear of being rolled for their boots (though that is always a plus), you're mostly looking for places that James Bond would go in a tuxedo and engage in witty repartee with other spies.

James Bond handing a package to someone on London Bridge? Awesome. James Bond getting yelled at by Orkish hooligans in Manchester? Lame.

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Although I do agree that after Feral Cities they should do a sequel about cities paralyzed by crime.

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post Feb 20 2008, 03:21 PM
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I'd love to see Las Vegas done up nicely for Shadowrun. My concern is if it goes in to Cities of Intrigue it would be a minor player, where I'd really like to see Vegas is headlining a future supplement called something like Dens of Vice along with Bangkok, Monte Carlo, Metropol, and a few more to round it out.
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QUOTE (nezumi @ Feb 20 2008, 06:25 AM) *
Wasn't London already done in depth in the London Sourcebook and Shadows of Europe? If you MUST do an English city, do Liverpool. Liverpool is more cyberpunk than the smoke is. I mean heck, right now the mayor of Liverpool refuses to go out at night because of the crime. Can't say that about London, now can you? Just look at Liverpool's city motto, "we probably won't kick your arse". That's cyberpunk, right there.

...yeah but that is now seven years out of date (though some of the location info could still be useful) just like all the other pre-crash fluff.

And I agree with Frank. Intrigue is also style.
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I think it should be cities that have yet to get a writeup. Alot of the ones people have mentioned have several. Of course ones that have had MAJOR changes would make sense too. That's why I really want to see a book with Austin/Houston area, I mean the stuff with Aztlan, wow, lots going on there I would think. Also like I said, St. Louis would be great too. You know it's a smuggler stop, or a chokepoint to try to nab said smugglers down the big muddy. I know I'm posting twice, but I was on my psp last night and needless to say you don't do lengthy typing on that.

Hey here's an idea. What if there was a fan collaboration? Pick a city that seems like it would be important and have people submit ideas for it. It would be a city that they hadn't planned on working on, obviously. Make a fan sourcebook. Granted it wouldn't be canon but if enough people worked on it and liked it, people might want to use it in there games. Of course I know most everyone would prefer to have their stuff in a published official book, but I figure they can only make so many books a year. So0me things we want to have will most likely never get touched. Just a thought.
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post Feb 20 2008, 04:59 PM
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QUOTE (thorr @ Feb 20 2008, 12:12 AM) *
what about orlando and anaheim? is there any info on disney in the 2070's?


Anaheim and Disneyland are covered in Corp Enclaves, the LA chapter ("Fun City"). Because how could anyone talk about LA without talking about Disneyland??? (can you tell I'm the mother of two young children?) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)
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post Feb 20 2008, 05:00 PM
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QUOTE (swirler @ Feb 20 2008, 08:53 AM) *
Hey here's an idea. What if there was a fan collaboration? Pick a city that seems like it would be important and have people submit ideas for it. It would be a city that they hadn't planned on working on, obviously. Make a fan sourcebook. Granted it wouldn't be canon but if enough people worked on it and liked it, people might want to use it in there games. Of course I know most everyone would prefer to have their stuff in a published official book, but I figure they can only make so many books a year. So0me things we want to have will most likely never get touched. Just a thought.


Or maybe a location theme, seems like a lot of people want info on Border Towns (which does not by definition make them Cities of Intrigue) maybe we could try to put one together on some of those.

Also since a few of us (including me) have suggested cities already covered, for reference:
QUOTE ('http://www.shadowrun4.com/products/product.php?i=26005&m=fpr')
Runner Havens
Across the Globe, Biz is Biz
This first core setting book introduces the players to two of the world?s premier shadowrunner sprawls: Seattle and Hong Kong. Each city is described in detail for a shadowrunner?s point-of-view, covering key topics such as the balance of power, corporate and underworld affairs, places to see, strange magics, and key features of interest. A wealth of plot hooks are also included. Four other runner-favored cities?Cape Town, Caracas, Hamburg, and Istanbul?are also covered in lesser detail, and gamemaster advice is provided for transforming any specific urban locale into a shadow hotspot.


QUOTE ('http://www.shadowrun4.com/products/product.php?i=26201&m=cat')
Corporate Enclaves
Are You Ready to Sell Your Soul?
Corporate Enclaves shines the spotlight on two very different bastions of corporate power in the Sixth World: Los Angeles and Neo-Tokyo. Controlled and exploited by the iron hand of the megacorps, these sprawls are home to corporate powerhouses, their political minions, powerful crime factions, and plenty of intrigue and opportunities for enterprising and resourceful shadowrunners. The second in an ongoing series of themed setting books for Shadowrun, Fourth Edition, Corporate Enclaves also briefly visits the unique corporate dominions of Dubai, Europort, Manhattan, Nairobi, and Tenochtitlán, and provides guidelines for developing your own corp-controlled settings.
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post Feb 20 2008, 05:49 PM
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I'll third (or fourth) London. It's the home of the quintessential spy thriller, for goodness sake! Would need to be written from the outsider's point of view. Mind the gap, chaps! Knights, magic, terrorism, crime, Brit-pop music!

I know Washington, FDC was covered in the President Dunkelzhan campaign but for those of us who weren't playing SR at the time and don't want to drop money for out-of-date and out-of-print campaign materials we might like to see it. If not Washington, then definitely Atlanta or one of the NAN capitals. Or Miami. Shadowrun beach party!

As for non-Anglophone cities, Moscow seems like it would be a good choice for obvious reasons, comrade chummerskis. Madrid, Rome, Tel Aviv (with Jerusalem), and whatever Rio is called now would be cool as well.

I also wouldn't mind see a quick blip on McMurdo or one of the other Antarctica outposts. Think you can't have intrigue in the world's biggest frozen desert? Check out Greg Rucka's "Whiteout". But maybe that would qualify more for a future Fringe or Bordertowns supplement.
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Did I mention Portland?
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QUOTE (FrankTrollman @ Feb 20 2008, 09:49 AM) *
Cyberpunk is about glamor and plastic in addition to pain and crime. Cities of Intrigue is more about the former than the latter. You aren't looking for places that have a large number of people living in fear of being rolled for their boots (though that is always a plus), you're mostly looking for places that James Bond would go in a tuxedo and engage in witty repartee with other spies.

James Bond handing a package to someone on London Bridge? Awesome. James Bond getting yelled at by Orkish hooligans in Manchester? Lame.

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Although I do agree that after Feral Cities they should do a sequel about cities paralyzed by crime.

You mean George Smiley, right?

Actually, I like the idea for the crime-ridden cities. There's your Baltimore book right there.

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where I'd really like to see Vegas is headlining a future supplement called something like Dens of Vice along with Bangkok, Monte Carlo, Metropol, and a few more to round it out.

Uh... Macao, maybe? I mean, its size and growth will soon make Las Vegas the Macao of the West.

Plus the brief blurb in Runner Havens begs for an expansion.

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I know Washington, FDC was covered in the President Dunkelzhan campaign but for those of us who weren't playing SR at the time and don't want to drop money for out-of-date and out-of-print campaign materials we might like to see it.

No, actually. It wasn't.

There was one run set in Washington. Almost all other canned runs were still set in Seattle. There was a blurb about the government in Dunk's Secrets. Nothing of substance was ever written about the city in the sourcebooks. The Dragon Heart Saga did a more thorough job of fleshing out the city, and that's not saying much. It's only been covered twice in more detail than "The Watergate Rift is here." Once way back in 1990/91 in Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North America. Once in SoNA--and that was written so vaguely so that the writeup could apply to any national capital anywhere.

So, yeah, I think it's due.

QUOTE (Wesley Street @ Feb 20 2008, 12:49 PM) *
I also wouldn't mind see a quick blip on McMurdo or one of the other Antarctica outposts.

Strange Places, or whatever the placeholder name is.

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Did I mention Portland?

Yes. Thank you.
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Am I the only one who would thoroughly enjoy watching James Bond get harassed by orzet spewing hooligans?
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QUOTE (Fortune @ Feb 20 2008, 05:49 AM) *
Spoilsport, eh? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

Don't get me wrong. I'd like to see Sydney covered again ... hell, I live here so of course I wouldn't mind at all. It's just not quite fitting for that particular book. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

ok, didn't know you live there you poor chap, that would mean you'd be the perfect guy to do the write-up *g*
as long as it does get covered somewhere explaining how people manage to get by there with that beast of a continent below their feet, i am content to wait a bit ^^
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QUOTE (martindv @ Feb 20 2008, 02:31 PM) *
There was one run set in Washington. Almost all other canned runs were still set in Seattle. There was a blurb about the government in Dunk's Secrets. Nothing of substance was ever written about the city in the sourcebooks. The Dragon Heart Saga did a more thorough job of fleshing out the city, and that's not saying much. It's only been covered twice in more detail than "The Watergate Rift is here." Once way back in 1990/91 in Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North America. Once in SoNA--and that was written so vaguely so that the writeup could apply to any national capital anywhere.

So, yeah, I think it's due.


Most likely it will be included, because of the one reference you missed: The one in System Failure. The prominent inclusion of FDC in Cities of Intrigue would be a strong indication that the "New American Revolution" (or whatever their name is) group plotting to reunite the United States is going to feature heavily in the developing meta-plot.
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QUOTE (DocTaotsu @ Feb 20 2008, 05:37 PM) *
Am I the only one who would thoroughly enjoy watching James Bond get harassed by orzet spewing hooligans?

Only if he then kills them for not knowing their place.

QUOTE (stevebugge @ Feb 20 2008, 05:59 PM) *
Most likely it will be included, because of the one reference you missed: The one in System Failure. The prominent inclusion of FDC in Cities of Intrigue would be a strong indication that the "New American Revolution" (or whatever their name is) group plotting to reunite the United States is going to feature heavily in the developing meta-plot.

I didn't miss it.

But that hasn't been a reason for Atlanta, Quebec City, Santa Fe, Sacramento, Portland, Bellingham, Cheyenne or the capital cities of the upper NAN states to be used. Nor has it appeared to be much concern in any of the SR4 books. That's perfectly fine with me, in fact. Frankly, they had the opportunity to make a startling break with SR1-3 which would have diminuated Seattle and created a storyline similar to DMZ or Jericho (which has actually begun to ape DMZ). But they screwed that all up in System Failure.

DeeCee has one aspect which may or may not even matter: One of the conspirators is now President of the UCAS. It's not even that clear that Zincan was (Personally, I think he's a pawn. Everything he did was done too cleanly to make him like like the triumphant hero returning from semi-exile to lead the Tir into a new era of greatness for me to believe he actually is in any way the brains of, well, anything). And even if it did come out, so what? She could have admitted to it in her nominating convention acceptance speech and I would bet that people would have voted for her because of what she did. One, because UCASans are insane when it comes to voting behavior. Two, because she's done everything in her power to make the UCAS a Great Nation again that Dunkelzahn (See point 1) and Haeffner promised and failed to deliver for seven years, and that her predecessor basically went backwards on in toadying to "the megacorps."

Of course it doesn't say which corps, and Emergence has megas specifically putting pressure on her which makes me suspect she's not exactly made of stone. But going back to Point 1, as far as the world is (or should be, because they make opinion) concerned The Corporate Court Saved The World. Yeah, they didn't succeed, but they also kept the world from collapsing under the pressure of Crash 2.0 and have since advanced the world faster in five years than the world had been lagging, often through acting counter to the Court, for decades.
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QUOTE (martindv @ Feb 21 2008, 09:31 AM) *
No, actually. It wasn't.

There was one run set in Washington. Almost all other canned runs were still set in Seattle. There was a blurb about the government in Dunk's Secrets. Nothing of substance was ever written about the city in the sourcebooks. The Dragon Heart Saga did a more thorough job of fleshing out the city, and that's not saying much. It's only been covered twice in more detail than "The Watergate Rift is here." Once way back in 1990/91 in Neo-Anarchist's Guide to North America. Once in SoNA--and that was written so vaguely so that the writeup could apply to any national capital anywhere.


Not true. There was also Just Compensation, which I believe was set in, and contained details of Washington DC.
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True.

But that was set in August 2055.
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