Unless they've got radar or someone gets lucky and sees it coming in from far out I'm guessing that even a home made missile would likely be travelling too fast to be able to hit a lot of the time, even with a minigun. That video you posted looks more like it's for taking out ground targets than anything else and maybe slow moving, well slow in comparison to things like jet aircraft, aerial targets like helicopters.

But really would you even need anything that high tech? Mortars have to be some of the most basic weapons you can get and yet are still highly effective. With a moderately equipped engineering facility you should be able to build mortars that would be big enough and with enough bang to be able to be fired off from outside the main security zone surrounding a target, decent size ones have a range of 3 or 4 miles IIRC, and with a pretty good chance of taking them out.



We were saving that one for Wounded Ronin. Well contributing bad 80s television shows and films does seem to be his designated job around here. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

Anyhow, UCAS Marshals might still be around, doing the job the US Marshals/RCMP did before, which was handle things that tresspass over multiple jurisdictions (Federal Prisoner transfers for example.).

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Hey, not that far off! Sorry to have missed that.

And now I have another group of baddies to send after 'Runners.

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Wait, in charge of the Matrix. That would mean they're on the UCAS Government Frontlines against Technomancers! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/vegm.gif)

Except thats not the only stuff they have available. You act as if this theoretical attack is occurring in a vacuum. Ever notice all the little Apache's in town when the prez is in town, or the frequency of low flying fast movers. I would bet money at least one of those suburbans is packing stingers on top of that. Altitude equals auto death for your cruise missile. Low altitude flight equals more obstacles and slower flight which makes it vulnerable. Sorry not buying that idea.

Why Reinvent the Wheel when such interesting systems are available on the Black Market.

Things like the TOW system, IIRC the Israeli's during one of their many encounters against tanks uses such a system for "sniping" at tanks at ranges beyond the listed range of the system. There are other similar "man portable" systems available too.

As for the Garage Cruise missile and the pop up mini gun, *shrugs*

There are currently missile systems in place that travel at mach 3+ for 250 nm, at 100,000+ feet and attack at a 85 degree dive angle. Very few systems in place today can touch such systems, the only one in the US Arsenal was retired ie the F-14 Tom Cat and it sole built purpose the AIM-54 Phoenix. Also the attacking missile systems can carry a Thermonuclear warhead so the need for precision targeting of the convoy is reduced greatly. Even Presidential Armored limo is not up of being in ground zero for a multi-kiloton warhead explosion.

WMS

Speaking of the State Department another part of it that's good for interesting character backgrounds is the Bureau of Intelligence and Research, often just referred to as INR, their in-house intelligence organisation. It's nowhere near the size and funding of some of the other federal agencies but from some of the articles I've read they'll often beat them on correctly getting things right in certain areas, although that's not to say that they're always right.

One of my favorite conspiracy theories is some kind of black ops component to NEST.

Alchohol, Tobacco, Telesma and Firearms (ATTF), actually. There was a SR2 book that called it the AFT&M(agic).


Perhaps. Or perhaps Matrix Marshals are a separate agency like the Federal Air Marshal Service.


The Drug Enforcement Administration was sold to Lone Star decades ago, and became DED. There is a Drug Enforcement Agency mentioned in Runner Havens.


They're all over the books dealing with or that even refer to the 2057 election.


Well, there was a pretty big goddamn act of terrorism between SR3 and SR4.



There's a page on the Sixth World Wiki for intelligence agencies.



Fuck Texas.

...indeed it does as my character Night Angel proves. Formerly an H5 operative (Human Intelligence) who ran the gamut of Seraphim missions though specialised in C8 & C9 assignments.

Formerly had the "Kiss of Death" (Chem Gland) prior to the crash. Now has False Front (still has some "friends in high places") and is more an infiltration specialist for hire. She is the only character I actually carried over from 3rd to 4th ed with the original backstory.

..and Lucien, you're still morte, and I'm not!

--night angel

...yeah she's picked up a few odd "quirks" over the last ten years.

So there are still a bunch of agencies...well...I guess it could be stated that their behavior is still quite the same as nowadays, meaning: the FBI does whatever it wants, CIA feeling like god, ATT&F believing themselves to be cooler than the rest and so on...

Question: would the FBI operate outside the UCAS as long as they feel it`s their case/something personal, or would they call the CIA in?

And you'd win your bet. They put Stingers with the highpoint obs/sniper teams too.

Mortars are shockingly inaccurate and you'd need some pretty special ammo (think EFP bomblets) to breach an Executive Protection limo's armour. Most people after the pres aren't after killing scores of bystanders, historically.

A 90 degree attack vector involves the cruise missile getting high up: it will be shot down before starting its final approach.

A nuclear option or a full military grade option (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) well I give up say hello to a World War. Fortunately no government has been insane enough to fund such an attempt... yet.

Oooooooooooooooooooooo, Mounted Matrix Marshals!

*Begins writing notes*

And I thought the "Phone Police" in Shadowrun were bad enough news!

According to the Lone Star sourcebook, the DEA was purchased by Lone Star in 2032 and was re-tasked as the Division of Drug and Chip Enforcement.

Many United States cabinet level departments have some kind of law-enforcement or intelligence gathering agency under it. For example, the Department of Interior's US Park Rangers. Some are Yogi Bear types who hand out tourist info, some are equipped like beat cops who patrol the Mall in D.C., some are geared up in SWAT kit to take down hillbilly meth labs in the backwoods.

National Reconnaissance Office.

They run satellites. And SigInt, and have very deep and very black pockets. Pretty good bet they'll have some hard bastards in black VTOLs.

NRO just handles satellites (Freedom's Sentinel in Space!). Black bird flights along with their corresponding SIGINT would be primarily handled by the Air Force under NSA direction. But no doubt there's a lot of overlapping as SIGINT is conducted by pretty much every intelligence agency to some capacity. SIGINT has also been a hot-button topic in the government as more funds are pumped into satellites and electronic recon and less into eyes-on-the-ground HUMINT.

Really? Wow, I never noticed. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sarcastic.gif)

What I meant was that it happened after the Shadowrun timeline diverged so you've had X amount of years worth of sourcebooks that never mentioned it and then *poof* it appears. I suppose you can argue that what with Fourth Edition it allows you to have a bit of leeway and a clean start, but it's just one of those personal things that I'm not all that fond of. But that's just me.


Looks like either someone missed the Lone Star reference or the UCAS decided to restart it up again. Which would make a twisted kind of sense considering how governments often act, "Hey we can make some major cash selling off the DEA... *Six months later* Crap you know that was actually kinda useful, lets start another one!" and it ends up costing them more than what they got paid for the original. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

As much as I despise Marty McTrollFlameTroll's attitude I have to admit that using Crash 2.0 as the Shadowrun 9/11 makes a hell of a lot of sense (not that THAT hasn't been heavily alluded to already in the BBB and Runner Havens). The Shadowrun timeline's DHS may be a new relatively Department and may have started up under the Colloton administration.

Mortars wouldn't be used against the limo, which is a decidedly harder target than most buildings, but against the facility where the President is appearing. The indirect high-explosive option in far more useful against structures than it is against limos.

The ability to shoot down a cruise missile can be limited by high speeds and small radar cross section.

But, really, other than people who are mentally ill, the only individuals who actually have a motive to kill a President are Vice Presidents. The nature and inertia of the political system means one person's death is unlikely to result in any significant policy changes.


Don't forget the Bureau of Paranormal Research and Defense.

Best target I can think of is when he's on-board Marine One either going to or coming back from somewhere like camp David from the White House and just landed or just before they take off. Ties the President to having to be in a pre-known location and his limites personal movement. Plus if you get lucky you could also touch off anything explosive or highly flammable like aviation fuel that's on-board as well. That or one of those open air signing ceremonies. Set up three teams about a mile or two out and when you see on the live television broadcast that the targets are in place just bombard the target area with a mix of high explosive and anti-personnel mortar shells for sixty-ninety seconds before making an escape and in the carnage hope you get him. Even if you don't whoever you have killed and how close you came to killing the primary target, the just look how close they came factor, should be good enough publicity-wise in any circumstance.

Speaking of Matrix enforcement groups..

Hello there Mr. Homeland Security. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wavey.gif)

Correction the missiles I am referring too, are at 90,000 feet at 4 mach, launched from a platform at 250 nm, in current US Military airframes and AAM's nothing can touch it. Only near the target does it go into a 85 degree dive angle attack and slows down to ~3 mach, since most of them are Nuclear Armed an 350 kt airburst can ruin the motorcade's day. Besides there can always be more than one launched too.

Now if you have a 3D Fire Direction Radar available you "may" be able to get a firing solution and intercept it on its 85 degree dive attack but that may also trigger a 350 kt nuclear airburst. Stingers will not even get close to stopping it. Now a SM-6 Standard ERAM could but those are not everywhere.

As for the use of nuclear weapon does not insure Nuclear War, first you have to figure out who used it against you first. One does not want to go off half cocked. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

Do not forget the OSS as a 3 letter government agency of long ago.

WMS

Well based on the stats you are giving I would assume you are talking about the AS 6 Kingfisher. Since it is launched from an air platform in the bomber category, think TU 16 or similar, my statement of which major government wants to start WWIII holds true. Seeing as how we would be looking at I believe three, maybe four governments who might have the capability to deliver, much less have the weapon system in question, I would not be too worried about a half cocked response.