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gobogen
post Jan 29 2009, 01:12 AM
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Hi,

I don't post in this section very often so I apologize if this has been discussed before.

I've created a magician for a RL game that will start soon. I thought of giving him a sustain focus (health) and cast Improved Reflexes on it, thus having 3-4 IPs and improvements to my Reaction more or less at all times, specifically during runs. Improved Body could be used in the same way for an other very good effect.

I discussed this possibility with my GM and we both came to the conclusion that it is cheesy and overpowered to do so. Even though it can be dispelled relatively easily, any non-magical opposition (not capable of dispelling this focus) will have a serious problem to contain a mage with 3-4 spells to cast every round, even if they're cast with fewer dice to divert them to avoid stun damage. And that mage isn't alone either.

Actually, after discussion, he even decided that the spell itself should probably be avoided because the 2 dice penalty for sustaining it doesn't correspond to the amazing boost that this spell can give, regardless of the thresshold reached. He said that he would have a hard time to GM a game in which this spell plays an important role. I can't completely disagree with him.

BTW, a bonded sustaining focus costs 3 BPs for force 1 or 6 BPs for force 2, iirc.

What's your opinion on this? Any problems with other spells combined with sustaining focus too?
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- gobogen   Cheesy Sustained Improved Reflexes   Jan 29 2009, 01:12 AM
- - Starmage21   QUOTE (gobogen @ Jan 28 2009, 09:12 PM) H...   Jan 29 2009, 01:19 AM
- - Maelstrome   manipulation spells, illusion spells. health spell...   Jan 29 2009, 01:25 AM
- - toturi   IMO, Imp Reflexes and sustaining focus is often th...   Jan 29 2009, 01:26 AM
- - Browncoatone   Ever since first edition I've had a problem wi...   Jan 29 2009, 01:35 AM
- - Sir_Psycho   "Any non-magical opposition will have a serio...   Jan 29 2009, 01:43 AM
|- - The Jake   QUOTE (Sir_Psycho @ Jan 29 2009, 01:43 AM...   Jan 29 2009, 02:25 AM
- - Pyritefoolsgold   Yes, doubling the threshold would go a long way to...   Jan 29 2009, 02:13 AM
- - Maelstrome   im with jake on this. ive experienced my fair shar...   Jan 29 2009, 02:32 AM
- - Noirfatale   allow me to bring certain point that have not been...   Jan 29 2009, 03:43 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Noirfatale @ Jan 28 2009, 10:43 PM...   Jan 29 2009, 05:09 AM
|- - Tomothy   QUOTE (Noirfatale @ Jan 28 2009, 10:43 PM...   Jan 30 2009, 04:08 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Tomothy @ Jan 30 2009, 12:08 PM) C...   Jan 30 2009, 04:18 AM
- - Glyph   Grounding spells through foci wasn't even in T...   Jan 29 2009, 04:25 AM
- - pbangarth   I'm just curious... will the argument over whi...   Jan 29 2009, 04:44 AM
|- - The Jake   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Jan 29 2009, 04:44 AM)...   Jan 29 2009, 06:06 AM
|- - Aiolos Turin   QUOTE (pbangarth @ Jan 28 2009, 10:44 PM)...   Jan 30 2009, 07:58 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Aiolos Turin @ Jan 30 2009, 03:58 ...   Jan 30 2009, 08:03 AM
|- - Aiolos Turin   QUOTE (toturi @ Jan 30 2009, 02:03 AM) No...   Jan 30 2009, 08:08 AM
|- - Stahlseele   QUOTE (toturi @ Jan 30 2009, 09:03 AM) No...   Jan 30 2009, 09:17 AM
- - GrinderTheTroll   @gobogen : There are lots of things can make a GM...   Jan 29 2009, 04:53 AM
- - Browncoatone   Who cares if an active spell is a "beacon...   Jan 29 2009, 05:52 AM
|- - KCKitsune   QUOTE (Browncoatone @ Jan 29 2009, 12:52 ...   Jan 29 2009, 07:00 AM
- - TheOOB   Remember foci addiction as well. Characters who us...   Jan 29 2009, 06:16 AM
- - The Jake   Look its fair to say that using sustained focii to...   Jan 29 2009, 06:24 AM
|- - GrinderTheTroll   QUOTE (The Jake @ Jan 28 2009, 10:24 PM) ...   Jan 29 2009, 06:40 AM
- - Sir_Psycho   QUOTE ("browncoatone")And where do you g...   Jan 29 2009, 07:07 AM
- - TheOOB   The general rule is, if you want to be effective i...   Jan 29 2009, 07:19 AM
- - Browncoatone   The hostility level in the thread has begun to inf...   Jan 29 2009, 07:44 AM
|- - Pyritefoolsgold   QUOTE (Browncoatone @ Jan 29 2009, 03:44 ...   Jan 29 2009, 07:55 AM
- - Fuchs   It's dependent on what kind of game you are ru...   Jan 29 2009, 08:22 AM
- - Cardul   Mages in a properly run Shadowrun game do NOT want...   Jan 29 2009, 09:48 AM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Cardul @ Jan 29 2009, 05:48 PM) Ma...   Jan 29 2009, 10:07 AM
||- - crash2029   QUOTE (toturi @ Jan 29 2009, 06:07 AM) Ac...   Jan 29 2009, 10:13 AM
||- - Starmage21   QUOTE (toturi @ Jan 29 2009, 06:07 AM) Ba...   Jan 29 2009, 02:21 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (Cardul @ Jan 29 2009, 05:48 PM) In...   Jan 29 2009, 01:41 PM
|- - Adarael   QUOTE (Cardul @ Jan 29 2009, 01:48 AM) Ma...   Jan 30 2009, 09:32 AM
- - Stahlseele   i like those ideas O.o i just built a high STR Tro...   Jan 29 2009, 10:26 AM
- - raggedhalo   The magician in my group decided to always have a ...   Jan 29 2009, 10:37 AM
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- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (gobogen @ Jan 28 2009, 09:12 PM) W...   Jan 29 2009, 04:10 PM
|- - toturi   QUOTE (DireRadiant @ Jan 30 2009, 12:10 A...   Jan 30 2009, 01:17 AM
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|- - DireRadiant   QUOTE (toturi @ Jan 29 2009, 09:17 PM) I ...   Jan 30 2009, 03:20 PM
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- - pbangarth   The comments on Focus Addiction got me thinking. ...   Jan 29 2009, 05:57 PM
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