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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,655 Joined: 29-October 06 Member No.: 9,731 ![]() |
My copy of Augmentation arrived today; fascinating stuff. One item in particular leapt out at me: the cyber safety system detailed on page 40. A (relatively) low-cost item that keeps enemies from picking up my guns and using them against me, AND makes my smartlink unhackable? I'd have to be out of my shadowrunning mind NOT to plunk down the 350 nuyen.
Are there any other pieces of augmentation that, barring other considerations, you'd have to be insane not to take? |
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Creating a god with his own hands ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,405 Joined: 30-September 02 From: 0:0:0:0:0:0:0:1 Member No.: 3,364 ![]() |
flare comp and some sort of night vision, assuming your meta type does not already have it.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 10-January 09 From: Des Moines, WA Member No.: 16,758 ![]() |
Radar Sensors: Takes up 2 capacity, allows you to see through walls, invisible critters, and detect cyberware. It's ultrasound on steroids.
Platelet Factories: They add so much to your survivability, 25k is worth it. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 17-November 08 Member No.: 16,603 ![]() |
Some kind of IP booster, obviously. If you're going to be in combat, you need these.
Synthicardium. +Rating to ALL Athletics skills, including the ever-popular Gymnastics Dodge? Thanks much! Simsense Booster (Augmentation) and Accelerator (Unwired) are no-brainers for any hacker. They're expensive, but.. FIVE IPs in hot-sim! |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,188 Joined: 9-February 08 From: Boiling Springs Member No.: 15,665 ![]() |
Radar Sensors: Takes up 2 capacity, allows you to see through walls, invisible critters, and detect cyberware. It's ultrasound on steroids. Quick question for everyone here: If you put a Radar Sensor in your hand, do you have to point your hand in the direction you want to "see" or does it work no matter what your hand's position? |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 10-January 09 From: Des Moines, WA Member No.: 16,758 ![]() |
The Radar Sensor has a signal range of 2. Other than that, I imagine it acts like a commlink (omnidirectional).
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,116 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 1,449 ![]() |
Some kind of IP booster - all have their good and bad points. Wired reflexes are cheap, synaptic booster is expensive but very Essence-friendly, and move-by-wire incorporates skillwires and really boosts Reaction as well as improving dodge.
Smartlink mod, preferably in cybereyes. For a street sam, cybereyes, period. Muscle toner. Reflex recorder. Radar sensor or ultrasound sensor. Radar is generally better, although ultrasound has its advantages too. Attention coprocessor: 3 |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 500 Joined: 4-September 06 From: Salt Lake UT Member No.: 9,299 ![]() |
radar sensor stretches physics a little but the ultrasound sensor is really kinda dumb. If you do the math at 300 meters you have a 1 second delay in the info you're getting. Speed of sound just works that way.
one second is a LONG time. a bad ass sammi could have shot you twice before you even see him. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,849 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Melbourne, Australia Member No.: 872 ![]() |
I try to be cyber agnostic, but I'm partial to Tailored Pheremones, Cerebral Boosters, Nanohives and Genetic Optimisation.
- J. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,653 Joined: 22-January 08 Member No.: 15,430 ![]() |
My copy of Augmentation arrived today; fascinating stuff. One item in particular leapt out at me: the cyber safety system detailed on page 40. A (relatively) low-cost item that keeps enemies from picking up my guns and using them against me, AND makes my smartlink unhackable? I'd have to be out of my shadowrunning mind NOT to plunk down the 350 nuyen. Are there any other pieces of augmentation that, barring other considerations, you'd have to be insane not to take? I've never once, in any campaign, had my own gun used against me. 350 yen isn't a lot, but if you get 0 benefit, it's a waste. The fact is, either the enemy has their own guns and they shoot you, or you shoot them first. The situation where your gun is taken from you is pretty rare. And the only time it would be used against you is when the enemy doesn't have a gun of their own handy (or some even more effective way to kill you), which is rarer. With Runner's Companion out, I'm finding it almost impossible to resist Muscle Toner 4 plus Restricted Gear quality. That can take your agility 5 to an agility 9, which is incredible for any combat character, and it doesn't break the bank or use up all your essence. Suprathyroid gland + Restricted Gear is also a hell of a good buy. And it's always fun to play characters who eat like pigs (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) In terms of vision, eye lights + lowlight is the winning combo. It lets you see with perfect clarity in full darkness. You still want to add on another mod or two in order to have some way of seeing through glare, smoke, or mist, but darkness is by far the biggest concern. Fortunately, however, I think there are very few no-brainers in SR4. Most of the other stuff mentioned is great, but it's not a "duh" kind of thing. Even muscle toner isn't a necessity, just a very good buy. The real no-brainer is eye-light + low light because it's cheap and negates all lighting. Hard to see a downside to it... But even that isn't 100% required since you can always wear lowlight glasses and put a lowlight flashlight on your gun. |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
Hard to see a downside to it... But even that isn't 100% required since you can always wear lowlight glasses and put a lowlight flashlight on your gun. Downside? Your walking around in darkness with a flashlight! Almost as good as having a big "shoot me first" sign on your head. I admit the Armor spell is even better, but thato combo comes in close second. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,653 Joined: 22-January 08 Member No.: 15,430 ![]() |
Downside? Your walking around in darkness with a flashlight! Almost as good as having a big "shoot me first" sign on your head. I admit the Armor spell is even better, but thato combo comes in close second. Nope, both eyelights and flashlights use polarized beams, which means they're invisible unless you look dead on directly at the source when it's pointing at you. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 194 Joined: 30-October 07 From: Sadly, NE Member No.: 13,962 ![]() |
Downside? Your walking around in darkness with a flashlight! Almost as good as having a big "shoot me first" sign on your head. I admit the Armor spell is even better, but thato combo comes in close second. According to the book, the low-light flashlight provides no benefit to characters without that type of vision, so it's at the very least less severe that slapping a standard light on there. |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
What does polarization have to do with directionality of the beam?
Polarization only means that the electric and magnetic fields oscillate in a certain direction. They still are always perpendicular to the direction of the beam. If the beam was highly directional, it wouldn't serve well for illuminating an area. Only a point would be illuminated. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 503 Joined: 3-May 08 Member No.: 15,949 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 141 Joined: 24-February 09 From: In the Shadows USA Member No.: 16,909 ![]() |
"Hey Tank, I heard something over there chum." "Yep see those 2 lights must be security, fire a warning shot between em." LMAO
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,653 Joined: 22-January 08 Member No.: 15,430 ![]() |
What does polarization have to do with directionality of the beam? Polarization only means that the electric and magnetic fields oscillate in a certain direction. They still are always perpendicular to the direction of the beam. If the beam was highly directional, it wouldn't serve well for illuminating an area. Only a point would be illuminated. Exactly, they're highly directional, polarized beams. I can't explain the science to you, I can only tell you what RAW says. They create partial light only for the place where they're pointed, and then low-light vision gives you 0 penalty for partial light, so you illuminate whatever you look at directly. That doesn't mean the whole area is illuminated, but per RAW, the penalty would be 0 I think. The GM might decide to impose a penalty based on how you're only seeing with a flashlight, but AFAIK there's no hint in the RAW that such a penalty is required. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,156 Joined: 15-March 03 From: Fresno, CalFree Member No.: 4,252 ![]() |
Why not just get thermo vision in your eyes and not have to bother with low-light flashlights and crap like that?
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 503 Joined: 3-May 08 Member No.: 15,949 ![]() |
Because eye-lights and low-light vision have no modifier for full darkness (and let you see colors), while thermo is -2 (worse if there's a HVAC vent nearby).
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
Unless you are a mage all this eye stuff doesn't need to be 'ware. Glasses/goggles also work fine.
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,653 Joined: 22-January 08 Member No.: 15,430 ![]() |
The reason eyelights are a no-brainer is that you can't get them in goggles or glasses. For everything else, you're correct, they're cheaper and just as effective as cyberware, the only disadvantage being that they are easier to remove and you don't wear them to bed and such. I even played with a guy wearing both glasses and contacts, which seems like an obvious choice, but I'd never considered it as a way to get around the avail limits on non-cyber vision wear. For eyelights though, the only way to replicate them is with a flashlight. That means you need to have your gun out, or a flashlight in one hand, to get the same effect that eyelights would give you just for looking at stuff normally.
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,507 Joined: 11-November 08 Member No.: 16,582 ![]() |
And you couldn't tape your flashlight to a helmet? or even easier, buy something like this?
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Old Man Jones ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,415 Joined: 26-February 02 From: New York Member No.: 1,699 ![]() |
It would seem that if eyelights actually worked as advertised, tight beams that only illuminate the spot you're actively focusing on, your peripheral vision should be still somewhat 'in the dark', as it were.
You'd still have low-light, but the eyelight illumination should only apply to the center of your visual field. -karma |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,894 Joined: 11-May 09 Member No.: 17,166 ![]() |
Quick question for everyone here: If you put a Radar Sensor in your hand, do you have to point your hand in the direction you want to "see" or does it work no matter what your hand's position? The Radar Sensor has a signal range of 2. Other than that, I imagine it acts like a commlink (omnidirectional). Well, if it's high enough power, omnidirectional would work... of course that would require enough microwave energy to successfully pass THROUGH your body, go a reasonable distance, score a return off another object, then the ECHO would have to pass back THROUGH your body and be processed by the unit. Radar is, and has always been, directional relative to the antenna. They can make Advanced Electronically Steered Arrays (AESA) where the individual elements can steer their pencil beams around, but there is a limit to how far out of azimuth the beam can be bent. If you want a really good idea about this, look at either of the US Navy's AEGIS equipped surface combatants: the Ticonderoga guided missile cruiser and the Arleigh Burke guided missile destroyer. Both ships have a set of four planar arrays aranged at 90 degrees to one another about the hull and superstructure of the ship to generate a full 360 degrees of visibility. No amount of 6th world techno-magic can change basic physics. I suppose if you put the thing in a cap, it could work, but then you're just putting a series of individual dispersed emitters and receivers around a circumfrence instead of in a series of panels. While it is true that radio energy emitted from the antenna of a radar does propogate outwards, more modern beams are able to keep that propogation to a bare minimum, hence the modern Low Probability of Intercept radars on the F/A-22A Raptor and the forthcoming F/A-35 Lightning II Joint Strike Fighter. They are able to keep the beams very tight and respond to a much weaker echo, meaning that they are detectable by ESM/ELINT systems at much shorter ranges than previously possible. If mounted in a cyberlimb, you could get about 120 degrees of scan safely AWAY FROM THE BODY. Keep in mind the penetrating radars in the books are basically overpowered microwaves. A cyberskull would get you 360 degrees, but the density in any aspect would be more limited due to the limited cross-section of the skull available for the array in any single degree of radius, where as the whole of a forearm, for example, could focus on a single area. Think of it like having hundreds of VGA resolution webcams as a head band, as compared to a 16 megapixel camera on the arm. Oh, and the old rule of thumb with radar still applies, even using LPI technologies: the enemy can detect that a radar (and they can determine frequency, pulse rate and scan rate to get a good guess what model you're using) is in use long before that radar can tell you there's somebody out there to hear it. Sorry, just thought I should toss that out. |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,653 Joined: 22-January 08 Member No.: 15,430 ![]() |
And you couldn't tape your flashlight to a helmet? or even easier, buy something like this? Sure, you'd just get a -2 doofus penalty to all your dice pools (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif) |
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