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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,851 Joined: 15-February 08 From: Indianapolis Member No.: 15,686 ![]() |
My freelancing experience is limited to graphic design (logos, websites and such), illustration and writing. If it's something I'm actually expecting to make a living off of, not simply a labor of love (like drawing a comic with a friend or writing a Mission for Shadowrun), I always demand:
a) a signed contract b) payment up front (at least half) If you ever have a potential employer come up to you and say "Yeah, we've got a great idea and we'd like you to work on it with us. We'll pay you as soon as we make money off it"... walk away. Fast. The only time you might want to consider this is if you're building a portfolio of professional work and don't mind taking a financial hit for the chance. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 27-May 09 From: Evil's Nexus Member No.: 17,207 ![]() |
One of the largest publishers here in Finland sent around a circulation through the union rolls. Basically they said that because of the depression they would be slashing freelance prices by 25% with another possible 25% in the next quarter. WTF?! Since when does a publisher do price fixing? Welcome to Finland where being in a democracy means that you follow your betters. For we all equal, only some of us are more equal than others. Sorry to hear that. Considering what freelancing rates are in the United States I can only guess the impact that you are getting nailed with. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 27-May 09 From: Evil's Nexus Member No.: 17,207 ![]() |
Contracts are nice and while I have never had one breached. I look at it and ponder how much it would cost to enforce one, if it were. Not to mention the time involved and the bridge burning that would ensue. Game publishing is a pretty small community and it doesn't take long for the unkind word to spread.
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 60 Joined: 6-April 08 Member No.: 15,853 ![]() |
Along time ago and in a different life, I had a rough financial patch and ended up working at Pinkerton. Now the office honcho was this retired Army Light Colonel who was, to put it mildly, not the brightest crayon in the box. Sure he had a PhD and decades of experience in ass kissing but when it came to getting the actual job done his theory would break down in my reality. One site (that no one wanted to work) had a series of key boxes that the guard would have to go along a preordained route, put the key in to show that they had done the required number of patrols. Sounds simple enough, 4 patrols an hour, go back to the office fill out the log, repeat until you are done...right? Well this site was a Motel 6 in the rougher part of town. There were prostitutes and drug dealers operating out of the motel. So, a guard would do his patrol and hope that nothing happened, becuase if they got sucked into a problem and failed to make the required number of patrols somebody was going to hear about it. Well, one night I had a total of five incidents that put me off my total. When I realized this, I decided to do a patrol every ten minutes for the rest of my shift. Next morning I get a call that I have to get into the office now. So I go in and I get the riot act read to me about how ya can't skip patrols. I point at that the police were called to the site three times that night and we had two other incidents on top of that. That when I realized I was going to miss the total number of patrols that instead of blowing it off, I opted to do additional patrols to make up the difference. Not perfect but at least I was making an effort. Now the Light Colonel stares at me for a minute and then nods thoughtfully. Light Colonel: "I got the solution I will make out a new form that you fill out when this situation arises." Me: "On top of the standard incident report?" Light Colonel: "Yes." Me: "Your solution for a lack of time is to create more paper work?" Light Colonel: "It isn't a lack of time, its an interruption to the routine." This guy, got promoted to regional head of Pinkerton. Amazing...simply amazing. That's par for the course. I'm going to take a wild guess: that new paperwork you filled sat in a filing cabinet/file folder, went no-where, and was seen by only the boss. I work in a job where they pay contractors to do the same job (at less hours and a less hectic work schedule) for 3x the amount I'm payed, I have to work weekend or overtime-hours with no extra pay (on salary), I'm contracted for 4 years (and can't leave the job, getting fired means not working high level jobs for some time), and I can't re-negotiate until the contract is ended. Oh, and arguing with anyone above me/more senior can get me "fired". But at least we've got an okay healthplan. |
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,141 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Neverwhere Member No.: 2,048 ![]() |
Sorry to hear that. Considering what freelancing rates are in the United States I can only guess the impact that you are getting nailed with. Luckily I work under the university, mostly with academic papers and texts. It means that we charge more for it and I get a better rate of return. In the private industry I could look at half of what I make through which to be honest is beer money. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
If you ever have a potential employer come up to you and say "Yeah, we've got a great idea and we'd like you to work on it with us. We'll pay you as soon as we make money off it"... walk away. Fast. A friend of mine is currently in that situation...on the employer side. He has no money, can't get a small business startup loan (yay economy!), and can't expect to pay expenditures for that month until after a year of digging the foundation. Fortunately he has good friends like myself who are willing to take deferred payment. We're just lacking an artist. I've got a tentative prospect--a guy who wouldn't mind "working for free" as he has a full time job and would enjoy some part time on-the-side work. |
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Freelance Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 27-May 09 From: Evil's Nexus Member No.: 17,207 ![]() |
That's par for the course. I'm going to take a wild guess: that new paperwork you filled sat in a filing cabinet/file folder, went no-where, and was seen by only the boss. Man you are SOOO good! Right on the money! LMFAO Luckily I work under the university, mostly with academic papers and texts. It means that we charge more for it and I get a better rate of return. In the private industry I could look at half of what I make through which to be honest is beer money. Beer money works. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,851 Joined: 15-February 08 From: Indianapolis Member No.: 15,686 ![]() |
Game publishing is a pretty small community and it doesn't take long for the unkind word to spread. I listened to a podcast where Adam Jury was interviewed. He told an old joke that I'd never heard before: "How do you make a million dollars in the game industry? Start with two million." The game industry is run on labors of love, which results in the "run by the fans" mentality. My experience is minimal but I'm guessing you have to really like what you're doing in gaming because if you don't, the money sure isn't going to make up for a negative experience. Which would explain turnover rates at many companies and why freelancers bounce around so much (as they're known to do). I don't envy the tight-rope that publishers and line developers have to walk keep the good writers when budgets are so tight. |
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Immortal Elf ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 10,289 Joined: 2-October 08 Member No.: 16,392 ![]() |
I listened to a podcast where Adam Jury was interviewed. He told an old joke that I'd never heard before: "How do you make a million dollars in the game industry? Start with two million." How do you make a small fortune in horses? Start with a large one. The joke is pretty universal. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 425 Joined: 27-May 09 From: Evil's Nexus Member No.: 17,207 ![]() |
I listened to a podcast where Adam Jury was interviewed. He told an old joke that I'd never heard before: "How do you make a million dollars in the game industry? Start with two million." The game industry is run on labors of love, which results in the "run by the fans" mentality. My experience is minimal but I'm guessing you have to really like what you're doing in gaming because if you don't, the money sure isn't going to make up for a negative experience. Which would explain turnover rates at many companies and why freelancers bounce around so much (as they're known to do). I don't envy the tight-rope that publishers and line developers have to walk keep the good writers when budgets are so tight. It is tough and the vast majority of these guys are completely above board in how they do business. The labor of love thing cuts both ways though, because the fans that don't like something will jump on a forum and let the ire fly. I remember talking with Tom Dowd years ago at Gen Con and a SR fan comes up and starts telling Tom what is wrong with SR's explosive rules. Tom was extremely polite and I was dumbstruck that some guy would simply walk up and interupt a conversation to tell somebody that their rules suck. After ten minutes the guy realized that Tom wasn't going to rewrite the rules and stalked off. He just shrugged and smiled, "goes with the territory." So while I know this thread is having a wee bit of fun at their expense, I do doff my hat to all the staff of publishing houses. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,162 Joined: 16-November 07 Member No.: 14,229 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 732 Joined: 21-July 05 From: Seattle Member No.: 7,508 ![]() |
I listened to a podcast where Adam Jury was interviewed. He told an old joke that I'd never heard before: "How do you make a million dollars in the game industry? Start with two million." Adam told me this joke once: "What's the difference between a large pizza and a game developer?" "A pizza can feed a family of 4." |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 503 Joined: 3-May 08 Member No.: 15,949 ![]() |
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