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Cybernetic Blood Mage ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 ![]() |
Naw, because using that logic when an astrally projecting Mage is killed then he should simply be "disrupted" and sent back to his body until his buddies get the smelling salts.
Even extra mellow Ravor (Yep a certain pretty young lady and I are set to move beyond merely flirting back and forth at her work, or would be if there weren't a few minor issues that need dealt with first, oh well, tis only a few short months.) has a problem with your purposed compromise as it isn't really an issue for a mage to simply reactivate said focus and at that point you might as well declare them as unattackable in the first place. |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
Naw, because using that logic when an astrally projecting Mage is killed then he should simply be "disrupted" and sent back to his body until his buddies get the smelling salts. Even extra mellow Ravor (Yep a certain pretty young lady and I are set to move beyond merely flirting back and forth at her work, or would be if there weren't a few minor issues that need dealt with first, oh well, tis only a few short months.) has a problem with your purposed compromise as it isn't really an issue for a mage to simply reactivate said focus and at that point you might as well declare them as unattackable in the first place. I love the ability to attack foci from astral space... but that is just me... Keep the Faith Extra Mello Ravor... Congrats... |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 346 Joined: 17-September 06 From: Utah USA Member No.: 9,402 ![]() |
Spirits are not native, nor are they really made up of material from our space... they use magic to assume a form that can interact with our reality, but in the end, they are from a different reality, they cannot be killed in our reality, and so are sent back to their own reality (Where they CAN be killed if you so chose to pursue it)... Disrupting a Foci (pushing it through an astral barrier or using the spell in the Digital Grimoire) is very different from actaully "Damaging" its intrinsic aura... that is what a Damaging Spell would do, Damage it's aura... now foci are pretty resilient, if you cannot destroy it in a pass, it regenerates to full capabilities/"Health" track... and I have even seen instances in games where the GM assumed that the magic actually fought back (it did so in SR2), so the attack roll was opposed, much like counterstrike worked in SR2/3... whomever won scored damage against the other... I actually liked this as it made destroying Foci somehwat of a challenge, and had the potential to actually hurt/kill the attacker if they misjudged the foci's power level... as I said, not everyone likes this option... Keep the Faith Hmm... that's some pretty decent reasoning there, Tymeaus. Barriers don't permanently break when you attack them though, do they? Don't they just regen the turn after or something? And you mentioned the foci regen but when? Do they regen like barriers? I'm just trying to find what they are most akin to so I can apply similiar logic. If they just are not similiar to anything else and there are no rules that say if they are destroyed or not then I think I prefer simply deactivating them. I'd like to add a house rule that says they are down for an hour or so after an attack but I'm trying to keep rule changes and extensive house rules at bay for now. |
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Cybernetic Blood Mage ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 ![]() |
If I remember correctly once broken by actual attacks barriers remain broken, but I'm feeling too lazy to double check that at the moment.
And thanks Tymeaus Jalynsfein. |
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Cybernetic Blood Mage ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 ![]() |
Ok, I decided that I wasn't feeling quite that lazy after all, so here's the skinny as I understand it after doing a quick skim, the section on Mana Barriers are rather vague by itself, but it does specifically say that with the exception of regenning Mana Barriers are to be treated as normal physical Barriers are so I would guess that means we are supposed to use the same rules to destroy them and once destroyed they are gone forever.
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
Ok, I decided that I wasn't feeling quite that lazy after all, so here's the skinny as I understand it after doing a quick skim, the section on Mana Barriers are rather vague by itself, but it does specifically say that with the exception of regenning Mana Barriers are to be treated as normal physical Barriers are so I would guess that means we are supposed to use the same rules to destroy them and once destroyed they are gone forever. Exactly, once they have been destroyed, tehy remain destroyed... if, for whatever reason, the barrier is not destroyed, at the end of the Combat turn in which it is damaged, it regenerates to full capacity... Keep the Faith |
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Cybernetic Blood Mage ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,472 Joined: 11-March 06 From: Northeastern Wyoming Member No.: 8,361 ![]() |
And to tie it back to the topic on hand it seems to me that using the same rules should make foci tough enough that actually destroying one should be relatively rare but possible if a Mage is unable to defend against Astral Threats.
Sounds reasonable to me... |
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Prime Runner Ascendant ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 17,568 Joined: 26-March 09 From: Aurora, Colorado Member No.: 17,022 ![]() |
And to tie it back to the topic on hand it seems to me that using the same rules should make foci tough enough that actually destroying one should be relatively rare but possible if a Mage is unable to defend against Astral Threats. Sounds reasonable to me... Me Too... Keep the Faith |
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