I don't think it is a big deal if a TM wants to "bond" to more expensive cyber. Not only are they paying for it in Nuyen costs but they are paying karma for it as well. Wired 1 is going to cost 20 karma and 11,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) . I don't think that that is unreasonable compared to the echo. Even delta grade wired 1 is running 10 karma and 110,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) . That is cheaper than submersion but your paying nuyen also. (110,000 (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nuyen.gif) = 22 karma in a way)

Perhaps a better limit is using an attribute. Resonance is a good one because it follows the same pattern for mages bonding foci. Charisma is also acceptable because of Attune (object) metamagic.

IF you want TM's wtih heavy cyber, what's the reason to play street sam's or Hacker's again?

No...


Playing a TM is explicitly a choice your character background might bend on that but you chose to play a TM, with cyberware. By the system/universe/whatever TM's have amazing almost paranormal abilities but at a downside of not playing well with cyberware. Now folks can work around that or convince their GM's to do so but it becomes a scenario where it becomes pointless to play "mundane" characters.

IF you want TM's wtih heavy cyber, what's the reason to play street sam's or Hacker's again?

I love me some TM's, but I like being able to upgrade my weak flesh body so I don't have to worry nearly as much about getting jumped on the way to the stuffer shack.

as i said, for your campaign you can tweak it however you like. the problem is that as i've written it, the technomancer who receives the cyberware may not be the technomancer that pays the karma cost. if you want you could change that as well, i suppose.

but either way, if you particularly want TMs to use heavy cyber, it's just a matter of tweaking the rule. i tend to feel that most people are likely to have less of a problem with it if it's low essence, is all.

I believe you have misunderstood me.
I like the idea of a TM Echo that allows them to bond to their cyberware. It would not be something they start with or something they have to get. Just something they could get if they wanted to.
However, if we are going to create a new Echo I believe it should follow a rules set that is already in place. Like Attune (Object). I like the idea of having it cost 1 karma per .1 essence but I believe the maximum essence should be based off an attribute like Attune (Object) is.

And that is a good Idea...

Keep the Faith

Why would it not be a good idea? I do not understand your complaint.
Do you think that TM's should be not be allowed to get an echo that could reduce the impact of cyberware to their resonance?
or...
That it should be based off an already existing rule...

i think you're getting a little defensive. he just told you he thinks it's a good idea, not that he thinks it's a bad idea (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Sorry.
I tend to read ... as a thought process that has not fully been written or as a drawn out question. I see (hear) it in my mind as having a monotone inflection. Neutral biased.
At least that is how I tend to use it so I apologize if that was not its intended purpose.

on a side note, you are really confusing me... every time i see one of your posts with that avatar next to it, i get confused for a moment as i think "huh... i don't remember writing that" (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

If I had to use BP-gen I´d play hackers; with karmagen I prefer augmented TMs. Build with lowish effective resonance and low CFs they are IMO one of the most powerful types of character.

Why would it not be a good idea? I do not understand your complaint.
Do you think that TM's should be not be allowed to get an echo that could reduce the impact of cyberware to their resonance?
or...
That it should be based off an already existing rule...

Would you (or someone) post an example build and explain your playstyle?

The basic idea is that a TM does not nearly have to be maxed in order to compete with a hacker. If you know a few basics of playing TMs, you can hack rating 6 nodes with resonance 4. It is not very hard to build a resonance 4 technomancer, it is only very inefficient if you use BP-gen.

Now if you need a little extra oomph, either for hacking or other activities, you have two points of essence you can toy with, more if your table allows for submersion at chargen.

My playstyle allows me to do a ton of different things, instead of starting an arms race that leads to me not having karma to spare for cool or simply new stuff.

I'm not too familiar with karmagen but the usual way it works is if you have six points of Essence, and only bought up your Resonance to 4, then you spent 2 points of Essence on 'ware, that would reduce your Resonance of 4 to a 2.

- J.

He is saying that he uses two points of essence and then maxs out what resonace he has which would be four.

I understand where the writers where going with having cyber/bio affect resonance.

Be that as it may... I disagree with the logic of it. TM's are supposed to be one with the machine world. It stands to figure that their bodies would be more receptive to the mechanical (cyber at least) changes that that technology entails. So even if the writers did go with essence loss from cyber/bio affecting resonance they should have balanced it out with having cyber be counted as beta or better grade. Such a change would allow TM's to be good at other areas without to much of a sacrifice to hacking. Or maybe have an echo that can reduce the impact cyber has.

Magic = anti-technology (object resistance anyone?)
TM's = anti-technology? How does that make sense? Their entire being revolves around technology being at the level it is.

All that aside... From a strictly hacking standpoint I would go with TM's any day of the week. The ability to thread stealth past 6 is a HUGE advantage over Hackers. Having a stealth past 6 makes hacking on-the-fly a much better choice to pull off. And something that TM's are (by fluff) supposed to be better at.

However, if you bring the rest of the game world into play TM's are vastly underpowered due to karma restraints so Hackers are a better choice for a more balanced character. Even more so if you give yourself the time to only do long-hacks.