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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 72 Joined: 2-March 10 Member No.: 18,231 ![]() |
Recently, my character bough a doberman drone for a gigglefest.
However, it made me realise that I have no idea how they look like. So, anyone can tell me how they look like? |
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 ![]() |
Google helps
I entered : Dobermann Drohne Shadowrun and found this http://www.gods-inc.de/macavity/IsleOfShad...gm-doberman.jpg with an easy Dance medicineman |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 ![]() |
mind you, that's a previous edition doberman, they could plausibly have been modified since. but basically, that's what it looks like most likely, or at least close to it.
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 96 Joined: 24-November 09 Member No.: 17,900 ![]() |
I thought the Doberman was a anthroform? I imagine it as a 4 legged drone with a LMG on top.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 17-February 09 Member No.: 16,889 ![]() |
It's a crawler. Anthroforms are human-like. The current model is supposed to look like a robo-dog, but I don't think that there are any official pics around.
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Shooting Target ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,748 Joined: 25-January 05 From: Good ol' Germany Member No.: 7,015 ![]() |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 5,088 Joined: 3-October 09 From: Kohle, Stahl und Bier Member No.: 17,709 ![]() |
As of SR4, the Doberman is a walker. See the list of standard upgrades in Arsenal
GM-Nissan Doberman: Walker Mode, Weapon Mount (external, fixed, remote control), Clearsight 3 and Targeting 3 autosofts |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 ![]() |
EDIT - what I wrote was rubbish, sorry
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 133 Joined: 18-August 03 From: Apopka, FL U.S.A. Member No.: 5,516 ![]() |
"GM-Nissan Doberman: The Doberman is a perimeter-patrol crawler drone equally effective during daytime or night-time conditions." SR p350
"Walker Mode The transport mechanism of the drone or vehicle is completely swapped out for one that turns it into a walker, or at least provides it with multiple independent wheels or tracks so that it can handle most obstacles with the same ease as a human." Arsenal p146 So you could play it either way. I like to think of it as a crawler with a super-flexible, independent strut track system. Robert (aka Spanner) |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 7,089 Joined: 4-October 05 Member No.: 7,813 ![]() |
It's a crawler. Anthroforms are human-like. The current model is supposed to look like a robo-dog, but I don't think that there are any official pics around. when discussing shadowrun drones, anthroform doesn't necessarily mean human-like in form (although it really should). in terms of SR4 drones, anthroform appears to mean "uses legs for locomotion". (iirc, biped and quadruped are example specialisations for pilot anthroform, for example). it may also include wacky propulsion systems such as slithering like a snake, but that isn't entirely clear (snake could also be exotic vehicle, for example) |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
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#12
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 ![]() |
The Centipede shown in Arsenal on page 117 is described as a walker and shown to have four legs. Bust-A-Move on the same page is also described as a walker and has two legs. Page 106 of Arsenal lists the Doberman as being a walker as well; the Steel Lynx doesn't have a walker mode, and as there's a partial pic of one in SR4a on page 96 it seems that design is relatively unchanged since SR3.
Visually I've always imagined the Doberman drone as dog-like in build with the weapon turret mounted on its back (see the Arsenal errata) since SR4 came out. A variant could even have feet like the Tachikoma from Ghost In The Shell; four legs ending in wheels to use for greater speed (since the Doberman can run 90kph). |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 ![]() |
Yeah, the Tachikoma legs+wheels setup seems the most likely. A metal monster the size of a Mini Cooper trying to barrel down hallways like a robotic cheetah seems like it would be damaging and loud as all hell.
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 ![]() |
Fortunately the Doberman is a medium sized drone, so it's about the size of a (I'd say small) motorcycle at most (unlike the large sized Tachikoma). I'd say most Doberman drones are probably about the size of a medium to dog in overall shape and build.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 664 Joined: 3-February 08 Member No.: 15,626 ![]() |
I've allways pictured them as something like [img]http://warisboring.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/big_dog_military_robots.jpg[/img] This, but with a machine gun of some sort on top.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 150 Joined: 5-April 04 Member No.: 6,219 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 103 Joined: 20-October 09 Member No.: 17,773 ![]() |
Assuming the doberman is a continuation of today's Big Dog, would they have kept it sounding like a swarm of angry chainsaw bees?
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 ![]() |
Fortunately the Doberman is a medium sized drone, so it's about the size of a (I'd say small) motorcycle at most (unlike the large sized Tachikoma). I'd say most Doberman drones are probably about the size of a medium to dog in overall shape and build. I always get the Doberman mixed up with the Dalmatian, even though the Dalmatian flies.. Really, the problem with a leggy robodog is when it runs 90 kph. Trying to keep traction at those speeds would be ridiculous. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 186 Joined: 14-May 05 From: Riverside CA Member No.: 7,394 ![]() |
One of our player covered hers in Faux Fur and gave it a Ares Alpha with 2 Drums [100 AR ammo and a 50 round GL] and had it modified to bark (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
I always get the Doberman mixed up with the Dalmatian, even though the Dalmatian flies.. Really, the problem with a leggy robodog is when it runs 90 kph. Trying to keep traction at those speeds would be ridiculous. Cheetahs manage - why won't a technological device 60 years from now? |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,705 Joined: 5-October 09 From: You are in a clearing Member No.: 17,722 ![]() |
Cheetahs manage - why won't a technological device 60 years from now? Ever seen a cheetah take a 90 degree turn on a linoleum floor? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/spin.gif) |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,801 Joined: 2-September 09 From: Moscow, Russia Member No.: 17,589 ![]() |
Just strap maneuver jet engines on it, and you've got a deal.
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Neophyte Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,351 Joined: 19-September 09 From: Behind the shadows of the Resonance Member No.: 17,653 ![]() |
No, but I honestly don't expect a cheetah to be running at over 100kph on linoleum. For the Doberman, it'd probably end up being a Pilot test at a threshold of 4 to make that hard 90º turn at high speed; easier if it has a good Maneuver autosoft installed.
But considering that the flesh and blood cat is topping out about 30kph faster than the Doberman drone, I too don't see why a futuristic device cannot truly run as fast. The only difference really would be endurance. And it'd be a great name for a model variant on the GM-Nissan Doberman; the Knight Errant Cheetah. Acceleration of 12/30 and Speed of 90 (or 108kph), but Handling of -1 and Armor 5 because of the increased speed and lighter design; everything else unchanged from the Doberman model. |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 97 Joined: 12-March 10 From: Middle of Nowhere, Iowa Member No.: 18,283 ![]() |
The basic Tachikoma foot/wheel arrangement is how our group approaches the Doberman's walker module function. When it needs to move with precision or stability, then the wheels open up as feet and when it needs to move at speed they fold back into wheels.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 105 Joined: 17-February 09 Member No.: 16,889 ![]() |
when discussing shadowrun drones, anthroform doesn't necessarily mean human-like in form (although it really should). in terms of SR4 drones, anthroform appears to mean "uses legs for locomotion". (iirc, biped and quadruped are example specialisations for pilot anthroform, for example). it may also include wacky propulsion systems such as slithering like a snake, but that isn't entirely clear (snake could also be exotic vehicle, for example) Weird, it should be the other way around - walkers can be anthroforms (e.g. cyborg cases) but don't have to be. What is your source? |
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