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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622 ![]() |
Just what any discussion about business needs, is more totally made up numbers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) That's budgeting:) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622 ![]() |
In the tabletop gaming industry? Yes, a 60K salary is luxury, at any tier -- retailer, distributor, manufacturer. Unless you're an owner, then it's a couch. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 ![]() |
Unless you're an owner, then it's a couch. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I've slept on the couches of a few game company* owners, and some of them are very comfy, but not 60K comfy. (*Green Ronin currently has the winning couch.) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 25-February 08 From: San Mateo CA Member No.: 15,708 ![]() |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 ![]() |
Printing a hardbound, 4-color book, of c. 200 pp, using a US printer, at a 3000 copy print run, costs ~$7 per copy. So, that's an upfront cash outlay of $21,000. I'm told that you can save substantial money using East Asian printers, even after shipping. Same quality, just adds a substantial amount of time to the printing cycle. |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Retired Admins Posts: 3,929 Joined: 26-February 02 From: .ca Member No.: 51 ![]() |
Printing in asia was cheaper for a period of time, but things are swinging back towards North American printing.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 ![]() |
Hilariously, that makes this even more accurate.
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 ![]() |
Frank said recently that CGL has run out of printers they can stiff.
"But I promised to get to the whole printing being a cash-upfront situation - mostly. There are in fact printers who will take promises to pay and bill later. And Loren Coleman found some of them. He found four of them. One in Thailand, one in China, one in Canada, and one in the United States. And he stiffed all of them. Which means that all four of them are currently holding the remaining books until IMR pays them. And good luck to them with that. " |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622 ![]() |
I've slept on the couches of a few game company* owners, and some of them are very comfy, but not 60K comfy. (*Green Ronin currently has the winning couch.) Nah, I think we all need a Prisoner chair, so we can sit in it and think about Shadowrun stuff: http://www.eero-aarnio.com/8/Objects/Ball_Chair.htm |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622 ![]() |
Frank said recently that CGL has run out of printers they can stiff. "But I promised to get to the whole printing being a cash-upfront situation - mostly. There are in fact printers who will take promises to pay and bill later. And Loren Coleman found some of them. He found four of them. One in Thailand, one in China, one in Canada, and one in the United States. And he stiffed all of them. Which means that all four of them are currently holding the remaining books until IMR pays them. And good luck to them with that. " This is really, really bad. |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Amusing and, considering FanPro's practices in the past, quite viable. Of course, Chris Lonsing is the bigger, meaner and more evil clone of LLC. Hilariously, someone actually employed that ....... person again.
Then again, IMR DOES seem intent on paying outstanding bills, so ... maybe they're paying those too, now? |
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Target ![]() Group: New Member Probation Posts: 7 Joined: 1-May 10 Member No.: 18,533 ![]() |
Frank said recently that CGL has run out of printers they can stiff. "But I promised to get to the whole printing being a cash-upfront situation - mostly. There are in fact printers who will take promises to pay and bill later. And Loren Coleman found some of them. He found four of them. One in Thailand, one in China, one in Canada, and one in the United States. And he stiffed all of them. Which means that all four of them are currently holding the remaining books until IMR pays them. And good luck to them with that. " If that's the case, how come new books are coming out, like BT's Operation Klondike and the repring of the Runner's Companion? |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Maybe Frank isn't as up to date as he tinks?
Or Randall Bills decided a bunch of Thai mercenaries were cheaper than paying the print run bill and had them retrieve it for him (the print run, not the bill) and send it via UPS. Of course, I doubt mercenaries are as cheap as SR4 payment rules would have us think. |
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Beetle Eater ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 4,797 Joined: 3-June 02 From: Oblivion City Member No.: 2,826 ![]() |
I doubt mercenaries are as cheap as SR4 payment rules would have us think. QUOTE (Washington Post) U.S. Pays Steep Price for Private Security in Iraq $11,082,326 for one year, with a second year option, to put together a 34-person team that would provide security services for the "movement of ESS's staff, management and workforce throughout Kuwait and Iraq and across country borders including the borders of Iraq, Kuwait, Turkey and Jordan." So, $893.02 per person, per day, for professional bodyguards in a hot zone. |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,336 Joined: 25-February 08 From: San Mateo CA Member No.: 15,708 ![]() |
If that's the case, how come new books are coming out, like BT's Operation Klondike and the repring of the Runner's Companion? Are you applying logic here? If your going to apply logic, may I recommend applying it to MegaMek? Java is far more reasonable than Dumpshock. BTW, thanks for the updates (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) BlueMax |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
QUOTE So, $893.02 per person, per day, for professional bodyguards in a hot zone. Hardcore. Well, maybe Mr. Bills actually had the bills payed? It's not that much of an esotheric approach to business, especially given someone with money and influence in the gaming industry seems to back CGL. I so will remember that number for the next game's payment, though. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 298 Joined: 15-March 09 Member No.: 16,974 ![]() |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 174 Joined: 16-March 10 Member No.: 18,299 ![]() |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
I wonder if LLC paid *them*.
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Hmm, if books are held at the printers and Shadowrun goes from CGL to somehwere else, they could pay the printers for the books and have soemthing to ship completely done right?
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
Theoretically yes, practically ... no. There are still print runs of novels belonging to FanPro out there in legal limbo.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 188 Joined: 26-August 05 Member No.: 7,622 ![]() |
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The King In Yellow ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,922 Joined: 26-February 05 From: JWD Member No.: 7,121 ![]() |
You could say that. A good number of German authors are VERY bitter still about the bills FanPro left unpaid (and I recon that goes for international authors too).
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 151 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Reutlingen.de Member No.: 677 ![]() |
Theoretically yes, practically ... no. There are still print runs of novels belonging to FanPro out there in legal limbo. Fanpro Germany was - IIRC- still publishing Shadowrun novels written by German authors after Fanpro US folded and failed to renew the license with Wizkids. Unfortunately, even after CGL became the new licensee, no agreement was made between CGL and Pegasus regarding new Shadowrun novels. @hermit: I assume you are referring to the authors of the German novels? |
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