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post Jul 22 2010, 09:19 PM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 22 2010, 02:12 PM) *
Never drank beer out of a 2 Litre bottle I see...


Sure I have. Just if you're drinking out of such a bottle, you tend not to recall the details of the related evening.
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post Jul 22 2010, 09:21 PM
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QUOTE (Voran @ Jul 22 2010, 09:19 PM) *
Sure I have. Just if you're drinking out of such a bottle, you tend not to recall the details of the related evening.


And often wake up with questions such as 'Where am I?' 'What happened?' and 'Why am I in a bathtub filled with ice?'
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post Jul 22 2010, 09:25 PM
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QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Jul 22 2010, 12:14 PM) *
I don't really know what the stuff tastes like, it may all be hype, but I know some parts of the cut aren't very good. The "chain" is the tail end of the cut (the part facing the head I think). It is part of the tenderloin. So some parts might go into hamburger. Also it has "silver skin" (thick white reflective connective tissue) along one side of its length that must be removed and is tricky to cut off.


Here's how it breaks down: Generally speaking, the Americans view beef as two ends of a spectrum, where on one side there is tenderness/preparation, and the other side is ease of preparation. The most tender and flavorful cuts of beef also tend to be the ones that take the longest to prepare, as they have much more harder fat or connective tissue, or come from a muscle that gets a lot of work. The basic axiom is fat=flavor. As a result, they must be cooked for a long time to turn them into melt-in-your-mouth deliciousness. Think of a stew that has been simmering all day, or short ribs that have been braised for a few hours.

On the other side of the spectrum, cuts without a lot of fat or connective tissue (think a strip steak or sirloin) can be quickly cooked and remain tender enough to eat, but don't have near the flavor of the slow-cooked types of beef. Also, the longer you cook them, the tougher they become, because the muscle fibers contract quickly and don't have the collegens and fats to break them down.

Therefore, in this country, our culture has told us that quick cooking is primary, THEN you go for flavor. This is why the tenderloin is so popular, because it is a very lean piece of meat, but is super tender because it is a muscle that doesn't get much of any use by the animal. Flavor is pretty good, especially in Prime grade, but IMHO does not hold a candle to really good slow cooked meat. I'll take braised or BBQ any day of the week.

As for the preparation, honestly, its not that big of a deal. A trained chef can break down a whole tenderloin, including the silverskin, in about 15 - 20 minutes. The chain was originally a butchers cut (the cuts that the butcher would keep for himself), because its not a single piece that can be turned into steaks. They make some of the most amazing cheesesteaks, though.
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post Jul 22 2010, 09:30 PM
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The chain was originally a butchers cut (the cuts that the butcher would keep for himself), because its not a single piece that can be turned into steaks. They make some of the most amazing cheesesteaks, though.


My god! Alton Brown, you play Shadowrun? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)
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post Jul 22 2010, 09:38 PM
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In my campaign that failed, the major Mr. Johnson decided to reward some 'Runners with some Megalodon that he caught himself when "He needed to make himself scarce from Seattle for a bit".

A few games before that, they met on the docks, to see him boarding a big fishing ship that was loading depth charges.

He's also been in my stories, and describes one of his "Hunting Rifles" explicitly, a Holland & Holland Double-Rifle in .600 Nitro Express.
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QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Jul 22 2010, 02:30 PM) *
My god! Alton Brown, you play Shadowrun? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)


No, but I did go through culinary school before that episode aired, so I pretty much knew it all anyway.
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post Jul 22 2010, 09:43 PM
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QUOTE (tagz @ Jul 22 2010, 02:05 AM) *
Sounds about right from what I've seen. My work takes me from various restaurant to restaurant, not to eat but to work in their kitchens. I've seen the entire gambit run, and from my experience the places that are considered gourmet and upscale tend to have more issues with cleanliness and sanitation then chain restaurants and such. Chain "family" restaurants tend to be real bad though.

But sanitation aside, yes, I've seen them serve extremely cheap food at country clubs and restaurants the President of the United States might dine, and then charge $20-$30 what it might cost elsewhere. $34 Ruben? Yep, seen it. The meat came in the same kind of box as a mom & pop's I was in earlier that day.

I think what it comes down to is nobody really knows what they're eating when they don't prepare it themselves. I've stopped eating out so much, that's for certain.

When I eat out I one always hit every restraunt that worth hitting and tend to only eat that I couldn't cook my self. Unless some on else is paying or its some guys party I cant be a git then.

QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Jul 22 2010, 02:12 AM) *
there's no reason to think the guys Boudain is writing about in 2010 have naythnig wrong with them but they're told it's gormet and like the emeror's new clothes, no one of the silicon geeks wants to call it for fear of standing out from the crowd. They've all said it's good, if ou say it's crap, you're saying they don't know what they are talking about, and no one wants to open that can of worms.

I would have to say in that situation I'd raise my voice. Then I'm that kind of person not a mega rich follow the trends type.
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I mean you ever buy a $5 cup of coffee at Starbucks? You can get a poerfectly good cup at diners for what? $1-1.50 Is the Starbucks coffee really that much better? but you pay for it.

It depend's chain wise coffee varryies but I've been in places at least for me an expresso addict that chain coffee is nearly always better. Still coffee chains in the UK don't seam to charge much more that other places of quaility they just up the cost of everything bar the coffee by 100-200% I'm talking £3-5 for a shit sandwich.
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post Jul 22 2010, 10:30 PM
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Coffee is tricky because of freshness issues at every step. Green beans last a few months, once roasted they are best withing a about a month, once ground they are best withing 20 minutes, and of course every one knows how brewed coffee goes bad fairly quick. My brother works in a coffee shop (read total coffee snob: occupational hazard) and they really do try to use it up after a month. Thy take the old beans, grind them up and put them in cold water over night to cold brew the beans to make chilled espresso drinks. It is a cool way to use up any coffee beans you need to get rid of. Tastes good. There are so many ways to make the coffee too. French press tastes grate because of sub boiling water temp and longish brewing time (4-5 minutes). Espresso of course is very different and requires special equipment. Plus there are a tun of verities. People go on about the all the different after tastes. I can't taste them but I do notice a difference in bitterness, and sourness between different kinds. But fun fact 1 in 4 people have more taste buds than the rest of us. So maybe some people really can tell the difference. But you definitely can't taste the subtle flavors if you put any sugar or cream in the coffee, which is fine. Sugar and cream is delicious. Also I honestly think star bucks coffee tastes weak (Frag it. Am I a coffee snob?).
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QUOTE (Badmoodguy88 @ Jul 22 2010, 03:30 PM) *
Coffee is tricky because of freshness issues at every step. Green beans last a few months, once roasted they are best withing a about a month, once ground they are best withing 20 minutes, and of course every one knows how brewed coffee goes bad fairly quick. My brother works in a coffee shop (read total coffee snob: occupational hazard) and they really do try to use it up after a month. Thy take the old beans, grind them up and put them in cold water over night to cold brew the beans to make chilled espresso drinks. It is a cool way to use up any coffee beans you need to get rid of. Tastes good. There are so many ways to make the coffee too. French press tastes grate because of sub boiling water temp and longish brewing time (4-5 minutes). Espresso of course is very different and requires special equipment. Plus there are a tun of verities. People go on about the all the different after tastes. I can't taste them but I do notice a difference in bitterness, and sourness between different kinds. But fun fact 1 in 4 people have more taste buds than the rest of us. So maybe some people really can tell the difference. But you definitely can't taste the subtle flavors if you put any sugar or cream in the coffee, which is fine. Sugar and cream is delicious. Also I honestly think star bucks coffee tastes weak (Frag it. Am I a coffee snob?).


I drink Coffee without addatives almost exclusively, there is a serious difference between Colombian, Sumatra, Costa Rican and Kenyan

Even within Kona, there is a big difference between the good stuff and the cheaper stuff.
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Yeah when looking for a coffee, not for a caffeine fix. I tend to use the sent of the coffee places as a guide. You can tell if they are fresh roasted ect or how old also long as its not a starbucks they pipe in a lot of places some wired coffee smell. No you're not a coffee snob you are on the same par as me someone who knows enough and can tell by taste what you like. Though tbh I wouldn't mind more coffee snob knowledge.
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Best coffee I've ever had is at Pilot. The worst by far, Starbucks.

My theory is truckers want coffee with maybe some cream and sugar. Coffee house goers seem to order more creams sugars and other flavorings than actual coffee, so when the coffee is week old and burned to a crisp from sitting in the pot too long and someone not knowing the difference between roasting and burning. Least that's what I've noticed from when I was in college and tried starbucks thinking if all they do is coffee it must be good; and traveling too much.
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Psh. There's tons of coffee worse than Starbucks.
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Jul 22 2010, 10:45 PM) *
Three words: Jamacian Blue Mountain.


I'm not taking out a personal loan to buy coffee.
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QUOTE (Yerameyahu @ Jul 22 2010, 11:45 PM) *
Psh. There's tons of coffee worse than Starbucks.

Agreed but the worse coffee that is sold as quality I'd have to say is Starbucks. I'm partal to what ever beans Costa use for expresso though that's also due the the proximity of a Costa on my way any place.
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Besides, *now* the trendy thing is pre-digested, post-shat coffee. Who knows what it'll be next. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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stale 3 day old re heated crap?
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post Jul 22 2010, 10:52 PM
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QUOTE (Dumori @ Jul 22 2010, 10:50 PM) *
stale 3 day old re heated crap?


I know the type they're talking about. Kopi Luwak, an Indonesian coffee brewed from the partially digested beans that civet cats eat and poop back out. The partial digestive enzymes apparently really bring out the flavor.

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QUOTE (Dumori @ Jul 22 2010, 10:50 PM) *
stale 3 day old re heated crap?

Whoever is marketing this is a genius! Why? because people are buying it! I wish I was awesome enough to sell people actual crap to consume.
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Honestly star bucks probably tastes weak because that IS what most people like. Coffee is to bitter for many people. Also the funky flavored coffees do taste good, like candy, but I like candy. Who doesn't like candy?

Also I don't get the bad stuff enough to know the good from the bad. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lick.gif)
Also I don't drink the good stuff all that often. Bad for your heart you know.

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Whoever is marketing this is a genius! Why? because people are buying it! I wish I was awesome enough to sell people actual crap to consume.

Some one already is. And they are selling it for $100-$600 a pound. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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Kopi luwak (Indonesian [ˈkopi ˈlu.ak]), or civet coffee, is coffee made from the beans of coffee berries which have been eaten by the Asian Palm Civet (Paradoxurus hermaphroditus) and other related civets, then passed through its digestive tract.[1] A civet eats the berries for their fleshy pulp. In its stomach, proteolytic enzymes seep into the beans, making shorter peptides and more free amino acids. Passing through a civet's intestines the beans are then defecated, having kept their shape. After gathering, thorough washing, sun drying, light roasting and brewing, these beans yield an aromatic coffee with much less bitterness, widely noted as the most expensive coffee in the world.


Also I know someone who tried to buy "moose poop in a bag from Alaska" there were multiple bids on ebay and he lost to some other guy who really wanted his moose poop. I don't know what he wanted to do with it but one can make ridiculous speculations. It is funner that way. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/lick.gif)
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That's the stuff, Doc. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) Good times.

Indeed, Badmoodguy88. People buy it because they *like* it. People also *like* McDonalds.
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I don't like candy. I like coffee. I know I'm a sick individual; I blame math and physics.
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QUOTE (Voran @ Jul 22 2010, 09:57 AM) *
In some cases though, I realize I can tell the difference between quality. Oddly it comes to certain types of alcohol. Beer is pretty much beer, there's differences in quality obviously, but the good stuff doesn't cost much more than the cheap stuff.

Sake. I've had the cheap stuff, and I've noticed yes there is a difference between the 10-15 dollar bottles and the 30+ ones.

Tequila, same thing. I've had the 'was that tequila or was that listerine?' cheap stuff, and the 'wait...that was tequila? that was beautiful' 100 dollar + stuff.


The beer line raises my hackles. Beers have just as much variation as cheese. Perhaps more simply by including the Belgians.


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Random Coffee fact, it's not a bean at all, it's the pit of a coffee fruit. Starts round and splits in half while being roasted. The Coffee plant grows wildly in North East Africa and Yemen, everywhere else that grows coffee has had plants originally from those places transplanted.

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QUOTE (stevebugge @ Jul 22 2010, 11:03 PM) *
Random Coffee fact, it's not a bean at all, it's the pit of a coffee fruit. Starts round and splits in half while being roasted. The Coffee plant grows wildly in North East Africa and Yemen, everywhere else that grows coffee has had plants originally from those places transplanted.

You may now spend Karma to improve your Knowledge: Coffee Skill by 1

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