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post Sep 8 2010, 02:38 AM
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Harry Dresden, the only man with brass ones big enough to bill Heaven!
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post Sep 8 2010, 07:20 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Sep 8 2010, 03:38 AM) *
Harry Dresden, the only man with brass ones big enough to bill Heaven!


Very true lol's


I must admit part of me wishes they would do a full movie of the first book but after the unfortunate tv show I'm not so sure it would be a good thing
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post Sep 8 2010, 07:26 AM
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QUOTE (sabs @ Sep 7 2010, 09:00 AM) *
That thing was Crazy expensive..

Although I hear it's well worth it.

The second book has huge background details. It's all very well done, extremely high quality. I'm not sure I like the mechanics, but it's very cool.
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post Sep 8 2010, 07:27 AM
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QUOTE (crash2029 @ Sep 7 2010, 01:14 PM) *
I had preordered Changes and recieved it the day it came out. I finished it that day. I have been in purgatory since then.

IIRC, the short story/novella that comes out at the end of the month is supposed to be set "15 minutes after the end of changes".
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post Sep 8 2010, 11:57 PM
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I liked that show. I prefer the show version of Bob, actually.
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post Sep 9 2010, 12:01 AM
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Just got back from dragon con and the Jim Butcher panel.
He stated that Harry is DEAD and the next book Ghost Story is Harry as a ghost trying to solve his own murder. So no pulling him out of the water half alive.
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post Sep 9 2010, 12:14 AM
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QUOTE (crash2029 @ Sep 8 2010, 06:57 PM) *
I liked that show. I prefer the show version of Bob, actually.

I wasn't very impressed with the girl-of-the-week nature of the show, but I did like TV Bob.

I'll be quite cross if Harry gets out of being the Winter Knight in by spending the next book dead ("for tax reasons"). I liked how the Lasciel arc was worked out over several books, and I was looking forward to something similar with this life-changing bargain.
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post Sep 9 2010, 05:52 PM
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Oh. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/frown.gif) If Harry is really dead, then that means Lasciel is really dead to. Bummer. I was looking forward to seeing her in a few books, after Harry's wizard brain had time to regenerate.
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post Sep 9 2010, 06:17 PM
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QUOTE (jakephillips @ Sep 8 2010, 08:01 PM) *
Just got back from dragon con and the Jim Butcher panel.
He stated that Harry is DEAD and the next book Ghost Story is Harry as a ghost trying to solve his own murder. So no pulling him out of the water half alive.

I wonder how big a part Mortimer Lindquist will play. Or if Ms Gard will scoop him up.
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post Sep 9 2010, 07:22 PM
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Well, Harry's soul is now made of divine soulfire, so when he dies he's not going to be a run-of-the-mill ghost, he's going to be some kind of angelic entity... and that's why it's going to be okay for him to come back to life at the end of the book. I think.

I'm guessing the ghost of Kravos was augmented by something similar (but opposite). Not hellfire, but some kind of dark energy, provided by his patron (who is presumably in the the Black Council).
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post Sep 9 2010, 08:10 PM
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Made my book order. Should be here next week!

Hooray for reading!
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post Sep 9 2010, 08:13 PM
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QUOTE (Doc Chase @ Sep 9 2010, 03:10 PM) *
Made my book order. Should be here next week!

Hooray for reading!

What is the release date for Ghost Stories?
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post Sep 9 2010, 08:16 PM
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QUOTE (TommyTwoToes @ Sep 9 2010, 09:13 PM) *
What is the release date for Ghost Stories?


1st quarter 2011.

Edit: Specifically, March 29 is the scheduled hardcover release date.
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post Sep 10 2010, 12:00 AM
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ah, ok, I was kind of asking about the idea of Odin or Athene or Sutek actually running around in the flesh, not as a spirit or icon but when in Rome.

The book coming out in November is a collection of short stories. I'm hoping there's some new but I'm assuming it's a compilation of the stuff that's been out for a while in collections like 'my big fat supernatural wedding or Strange Brew.

As for who shot Harry? Guys none of you are thinking it through. It was NOT Kincaid. Harry heard the shot and moved just at the last momment-he didn't dodge just got lucky. The idea of shooting someone to death then reviving him is, wrong. My guess is Rudolph. (A) Harry's run out of serious enemies. (B) serious enemies like Lara or the white council are preoccupied ro don't have a pressing need to kill someone they really might be able to use, again, in the future© an attack by spring like that, unprovoked would be an act of war. (D) it was a sloppy job.(E) that's the one loose end still running around. Rudy is dirty. Harry knows it. Harry doesn't go away and Harry has an annoying tendency to dig up unpleasant truths. rudy can set up Karin to go down but Dresden freaking lived through the fight and saw him go all to pieces andm ight be able to draw it all back to him, menaing his ploy against Karin would fail and he might be introuble, the FBI agent already doesn't like him. Dresden could be really awkward.
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post Sep 10 2010, 02:05 AM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Sep 9 2010, 07:00 PM) *
As for who shot Harry? Guys none of you are thinking it through. It was NOT Kincaid.
Agree.

QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Sep 9 2010, 07:00 PM) *
(A) Harry's run out of serious enemies.

WHAT. You are calling the Black Council -- probably including Cowl, Mavra, Thorny Nicklehead, and certainly not limited to them -- non-serious.

Harry's run out of obvious enemies. His remaining enemies are organized and hidden.
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post Sep 10 2010, 02:25 AM
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none of them are going to use a gun and a bad shot at that. All of them know of his ability to avoid death. They would use a lot more force thana hand gun. Like a bazooka, a pack of ghouls, an insurance salesman. This all seemed rushed, and morelike Rudolph- "you ruined all of it...."
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post Sep 10 2010, 03:00 AM
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QUOTE (Snow_Fox @ Sep 9 2010, 09:25 PM) *
none of them are going to use a gun and a bad shot at that. All of them know of his ability to avoid death. They would use a lot more force thana hand gun. Like a bazooka, a pack of ghouls, an insurance salesman. This all seemed rushed, and morelike Rudolph- "you ruined all of it...."

I'm not saying Rudolph is a bad guess, but I am very much saying Harry's list of serious enemies hasn't decreased by more than one, and his recent very successful efforts have probably moved him a few places up on their lists.
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post Sep 10 2010, 03:40 AM
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It's easier and safer to hire (via a cutout) some random smoe with a rifle that to go try to kill him with magic yourself. There are also a lot more expert shots than major league sorcerers.
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post Sep 10 2010, 08:35 PM
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I admit that Kincaid is not a likely suspect due to the circumstances of the shot. I also agree that Rudolph is a viable suspect. However I have a gut feeling that I cannot shake that Kincaid is involved. He does have motive. Harry put alot of pressure on Ivy and there is definately something developing with Murphy. I can see Kincaid responding with a bullet. Kincaid, from what I have gathered, would have used a headshot to kill but my gut won't let go of him. I don't know.

As for Aesir walking around in the flesh in SR, I can totally see that. With the awakening the beings that were previously worshipped as gods could possibly manifest on Midgard. Of course they would not have any where near the power they once possesed but they would still be formidable. And very likely nobody would think they were gods. Cynicism being what it is.
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post Sep 12 2010, 12:48 AM
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Rudolph. When Romans were given a triumphal marcxh through the city, an honored slave would ride in his chariot. To the world he was there to hold a laurel wreath over the vicctor's head but his other job was to whisper a reminder in the victor's ear "You are mortal."

Ivy wouldn't allow it and Harry backed off her. The red court is gone. The white court has no reason to move on him, the white council was laid up with what ever bug was spread in Edinburgh. Legal cops or feds could have just arrested him. It would also be a great reminder of mortality. He destroys vampires and aztec gods, serves faerie queens, hob nobs with ancient dieties, is guardian of the sword once swung by a squire named Wart and mouths off to the freaking angel of death! and yet if he is not careful some crack pot dirty cop can still do great harm.
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post Sep 12 2010, 12:57 AM
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I'm thinking stray bullet that has nothing to do whatsoever from previous story lines.

It'd be something new!
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post Sep 12 2010, 01:02 AM
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QUOTE (CanRay @ Sep 12 2010, 08:57 AM) *
I'm thinking stray bullet that has nothing to do whatsoever from previous story lines.

It'd be something new!

True. It's Changes, afterall.
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post Sep 12 2010, 01:09 AM
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No, it's going to be he assumed that the guys who shot at him earlier were working for the Red Court, but they weren't. The Black Council is an obvious suspect who would really like him removed, but there are lots more.

It's damn hard to create this kind of complex interleaved plot in an RPG. Players just don't play the part you planned....
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post Sep 12 2010, 01:16 AM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 11 2010, 08:09 PM) *
Players just don't play the part you planned....

You got that right. Check the Quoteables posts for my most recent comment on that.

'Course, the characters I write for will often throw me a curve ball as well. But I only have myself to blame for that.
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post Sep 12 2010, 11:21 PM
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QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 11 2010, 08:09 PM) *
No, it's going to be he assumed that the guys who shot at him earlier were working for the Red Court, but they weren't. The Black Council is an obvious suspect who would really like him removed, but there are lots more.
I'm assuming whoever was responsible for the hit & run on Harry's moving vehicle at the start of ... uh, one of the recent books ... might be responsible for the bullet at the end of Changes.

QUOTE (kzt @ Sep 11 2010, 08:09 PM) *
It's damn hard to create this kind of complex interleaved plot in an RPG. Players just don't play the part you planned....

Nah. Just don't bother prepping plot (in the large). Prep NPC motivations and NPC plots (in the small), and let the players make their own complications through incomplete information and only partially ruining the plots of the powerful.
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