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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 ![]() |
The weird thing is, they don't automatically get a magic attribute. Vampires, people with qualities like Astral sight, do. Pixies don't seem to. It seems like a strange thing to over-look. Perhaps they're assuming that all pixes are mages or adepts. That doesn't seem to be a requirement, though. All Pixies start with a Magic Rating of 1.. Page 84 Runners Companion, under Magic Every Sapient Critter begins the game with a Magic Rating of 1, which may be increased with BP or Karma as any other attribute. If it's magic rating goes to 0 it loses all of its powers save Sapience (which shouldn't be a power, damn it) and Natural weapons (which also shouldn't be a power) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 558 Joined: 23-June 10 Member No.: 18,749 ![]() |
All Pixies start with a Magic Rating of 1.. Page 84 Runners Companion, under Magic Every Sapient Critter begins the game with a Magic Rating of 1, which may be increased with BP or Karma as any other attribute. If it's magic rating goes to 0 it loses all of its powers save Sapience (which shouldn't be a power, damn it) and Natural weapons (which also shouldn't be a power) not sure how I missed this. |
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Target ![]() Group: Members Posts: 44 Joined: 13-August 10 From: England. Member No.: 18,928 ![]() |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
If magic is all about belief, then why does the bad dragon not go away if i refuse to believe in him? <.<
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Old Man of the North ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 10,230 Joined: 14-August 03 From: Just north of the Centre of the Universe Member No.: 5,463 ![]() |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 ![]() |
Because everyone else in the world believes in said dragon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Blame all the roleplayers and the chinese. |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
everybody blames roleplayers . . i'll go with the chinese, there's more to go around . .
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 295 Joined: 2-April 07 From: Dallas/Fort Worth Megaplex Member No.: 11,361 ![]() |
I made a pixie awhile back that punched for around 20+P and did -half ap. I couldn't find the thread for you but I ended with a Str of 6. You can do a search for SuperSpeed the Hedgepixie. Whatever I did on that character would help your player get to or above that str4 he cant have since needs deltaware.
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 542 Joined: 1-August 10 From: Occupied San Diego Member No.: 18,877 ![]() |
EDIT: I think the best thing to do is ignore everything the developers say about height and weight. They really, really didn't have feasibility in mind when thinking about these things. Trolls are supposed to be 8.2 feet tall but weigh 661 pounds, but can weigh up to 771 pounds. That's really, really fat (or ridiculous slabs of muscle - Arnold the Governator only weighs 250 lbs [113 kg]. Trolls would be about 6x more muscular than him, and only about 2 feet taller). It's not just the muscle, it's the bone structure to support all of that weight. As the mass of a land mammal increases, so must its skeletal structure thicken. A troll not only is significantly larger than a normal human, they also very specifically have more bony deposits. Even a short, fat, out of shape troll would be much thicker than Arnold ever was. Do some reading on a lot of the record holders for the world's tallest men. A lot of them required braces and canes to walk and became confined to wheelchairs before dying young. That's because the human body's composition isn't meant to be that big. Thus, a troll would have to have a much more stout and robust skeletal structure to support all that weight and size. Of course, that increases their weight and size. Could probably debate the feasibility of trolls for a long time and get nowhere other than "it's a game, deal with it or don't have trolls in your universe", but their height/weight numbers aren't unrealistic because they are too heavy. They're unrealistic because they might be too light. |
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Great Dragon ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 5,542 Joined: 30-September 08 From: D/FW Megaplex Member No.: 16,387 ![]() |
It's not just the muscle, it's the bone structure to support all of that weight. As the mass of a land mammal increases, so must its skeletal structure thicken. A troll not only is significantly larger than a normal human, they also very specifically have more bony deposits. Even a short, fat, out of shape troll would be much thicker than Arnold ever was. Do some reading on a lot of the record holders for the world's tallest men. A lot of them required braces and canes to walk and became confined to wheelchairs before dying young. That's because the human body's composition isn't meant to be that big. Thus, a troll would have to have a much more stout and robust skeletal structure to support all that weight and size. Of course, that increases their weight and size. Could probably debate the feasibility of trolls for a long time and get nowhere other than "it's a game, deal with it or don't have trolls in your universe", but their height/weight numbers aren't unrealistic because they are too heavy. They're unrealistic because they might be too light. I'm not sure if you're aware, but bodybuilders do in fact have more bone mass than those of us who do not bodybuild, so that weight of his includes bone mass. Otherwise, apparently you do make a point, as Robert Wadlow, the tallest recorded human (officially, at least), was 8 foot 11 inches and weighted 485 lbs. He was at a comparable height to a troll, and if you tossed on an extra 200 lbs of muscle/bone mass, he wouldn't have needed the cane and leg braces to walk. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 821 Joined: 4-December 09 Member No.: 17,940 ![]() |
In one of the discussion about troll size, one comment pointed that throughout most species, the bones hav e roughly the same resistance for a given section. Which force large creature to devote more of their mass to bones.
Assuming a troll to be about 1,5 the height and twice the width of an human, it would give him about 6 times the mass - 2m50 and 350 kg (a bit under 10 feets and about 700 lbs) if we asume an human average of 1m70 and 60 kg (6 feets 8 inches and 120 lbs) If his bones were built on the same proportions, that would be four times the section - it won't take much enlarging to reach the 'six times the section on human bones' ballpark. |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 881 Joined: 31-July 06 From: Denmark Member No.: 8,995 ![]() |
Yeah, troll weights are fine. Mass grows with the cube of the height, and on top you have to add proportionally heavier bones and thicker limbs.
Pixies, if they're proportioned like humans and with the same density, they'd weight less than 3 pounds... |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 ![]() |
If his bones were built on the same proportions, that would be four times the section - it won't take much enlarging to reach the 'six times the section on human bones' ballpark. Interesting. the average weight of a human skeleton is around 9 kilograms which should put a troll skeleton at around 54 kilograms. |
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The ShadowComedian ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,538 Joined: 3-October 07 From: Hamburg, AGS Member No.: 13,525 ![]() |
Yeah, troll weights are fine. Mass grows with the cube of the height, and on top you have to add proportionally heavier bones and thicker limbs. Pixies, if they're proportioned like humans and with the same density, they'd weight less than 3 pounds... Pocket-Transportable O.o |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 583 Joined: 1-October 09 From: France Member No.: 17,693 ![]() |
Manu is a bit off with his unit conversions - 1.70 m is more like 5'5" and 60 kg about 135 lbs.
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 ![]() |
Well... per rules a Bod 1, Str 1 gnome (or something) can dish out with a minigun without any recoilcompensation on full auto, while running with just 17 dice penalty. I seem to remember you need minimum Body 8 Strength 8 for heavy weapons, or is that just for stuff larger than LMGs? Also, uncompensated recoil for heavy weapons is doubled, making it a 28 dice penalty when just standing still. If he's got a 29+ dice pool then yeah he can hit stuff, but since he can't even pick it up it should take him a good few rounds to get the aiming right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif) |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,150 Joined: 15-December 09 Member No.: 17,968 ![]() |
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Running Target ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 1,000 Joined: 30-May 09 From: Germany Member No.: 17,225 ![]() |
I seem to remember you need minimum Body 8 Strength 8 for heavy weapons, or is that just for stuff larger than LMGs? Also, uncompensated recoil for heavy weapons is doubled, making it a 28 dice penalty when just standing still. If he's got a 29+ dice pool then yeah he can hit stuff, but since he can't even pick it up it should take him a good few rounds to get the aiming right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif) Ah sorry if the "minigun" was a bit misleading. You are right about heavy weapons=double recoil. I change my topic to high velocity assault rifle (Which use the same ammo, but magically have half the recoil *g*)... and only 12 bullets. Dang... Or Well... let's just say the Pixie wears a gyrostabilisation-harness and the minigun is slightly recoil-modified. There, fixed it *g*. |
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Prime Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 3,996 Joined: 1-June 10 Member No.: 18,649 ![]() |
Ah sorry if the "minigun" was a bit misleading. You are right about heavy weapons=double recoil. I change my topic to high velocity assault rifle (Which use the same ammo, but magically have half the recoil *g*)... and only 12 bullets. Dang... Or Well... let's just say the Pixie wears a gyrostabilisation-harness and the minigun is slightly recoil-modified. There, fixed it *g*. High velocity assault rifle with drum modification 100 bullets for the win (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) |
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Moving Target ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 542 Joined: 1-August 10 From: Occupied San Diego Member No.: 18,877 ![]() |
Interesting. the average weight of a human skeleton is around 9 kilograms which should put a troll skeleton at around 54 kilograms. Yeah. the life of a troll must be pretty miserable, actually. The book says they only live to be about 55 years. Most of the 8' plus humans lived to only be about 35-40 years old. While the book gives no reason as to why Orks only live to be 40 or so, surely Trolls are wracked with arthritis and other degenerative effects by the time they are in their forties. So even with their assumed more proportional skeletal mass, the toll on their bodies must be significant. Would make an interesting NPC. An "elderly" troll in a giant motorized wheelchair. |
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Runner ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Group: Members Posts: 2,579 Joined: 30-May 06 From: SoCal Member No.: 8,626 ![]() |
Yeah. the life of a troll must be pretty miserable, actually. The book says they only live to be about 55 years. Most of the 8' plus humans lived to only be about 35-40 years old. While the book gives no reason as to why Orks only live to be 40 or so, surely Trolls are wracked with arthritis and other degenerative effects by the time they are in their forties. So even with their assumed more proportional skeletal mass, the toll on their bodies must be significant. Would make an interesting NPC. An "elderly" troll in a giant motorized wheelchair. I believe it was stated in earlier editions that the "short" average lifespan on orks (and even humans is rather low) is due to it being a worldwide average, and for orks, it also mentions most of them die violently but also their advanced metabolism and general living situations (i.e. squalor) account for the short lifespan as well. |
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