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post Sep 16 2010, 04:13 PM
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QUOTE (Laodicea @ Sep 16 2010, 04:51 PM) *
The weird thing is, they don't automatically get a magic attribute. Vampires, people with qualities like Astral sight, do. Pixies don't seem to. It seems like a strange thing to over-look. Perhaps they're assuming that all pixes are mages or adepts. That doesn't seem to be a requirement, though.


All Pixies start with a Magic Rating of 1..

Page 84 Runners Companion, under Magic
Every Sapient Critter begins the game with a Magic Rating of 1, which may be increased with BP or Karma as any other attribute.
If it's magic rating goes to 0 it loses all of its powers save Sapience (which shouldn't be a power, damn it) and Natural weapons (which also shouldn't be a power)
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post Sep 16 2010, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (sabs @ Sep 16 2010, 10:13 AM) *
All Pixies start with a Magic Rating of 1..

Page 84 Runners Companion, under Magic
Every Sapient Critter begins the game with a Magic Rating of 1, which may be increased with BP or Karma as any other attribute.
If it's magic rating goes to 0 it loses all of its powers save Sapience (which shouldn't be a power, damn it) and Natural weapons (which also shouldn't be a power)



not sure how I missed this.
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post Sep 16 2010, 04:20 PM
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QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Sep 16 2010, 04:54 PM) *
Also: if they fly purely with magic, why do they have wings?


Magic is all about belief. The wings make it believable.
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post Sep 16 2010, 04:35 PM
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QUOTE (codemonkey_uk @ Sep 16 2010, 10:20 AM) *
Magic is all about belief. The wings make it believable.

Keep clapping!
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post Sep 16 2010, 05:32 PM
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If magic is all about belief, then why does the bad dragon not go away if i refuse to believe in him? <.<
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post Sep 16 2010, 05:59 PM
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QUOTE (Stahlseele @ Sep 16 2010, 12:32 PM) *
If magic is all about belief, then why does the bad dragon not go away if i refuse to believe in him? <.<
Because your non-belief is not strong enough, my son.
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post Sep 16 2010, 06:03 PM
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Because everyone else in the world believes in said dragon (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Blame all the roleplayers and the chinese.
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post Sep 16 2010, 06:04 PM
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everybody blames roleplayers . . i'll go with the chinese, there's more to go around . .
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post Sep 16 2010, 08:37 PM
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I made a pixie awhile back that punched for around 20+P and did -half ap. I couldn't find the thread for you but I ended with a Str of 6. You can do a search for SuperSpeed the Hedgepixie. Whatever I did on that character would help your player get to or above that str4 he cant have since needs deltaware.
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post Sep 16 2010, 11:15 PM
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QUOTE (Neraph @ Sep 16 2010, 08:42 AM) *
EDIT: I think the best thing to do is ignore everything the developers say about height and weight. They really, really didn't have feasibility in mind when thinking about these things. Trolls are supposed to be 8.2 feet tall but weigh 661 pounds, but can weigh up to 771 pounds. That's really, really fat (or ridiculous slabs of muscle - Arnold the Governator only weighs 250 lbs [113 kg]. Trolls would be about 6x more muscular than him, and only about 2 feet taller).
It's not just the muscle, it's the bone structure to support all of that weight. As the mass of a land mammal increases, so must its skeletal structure thicken. A troll not only is significantly larger than a normal human, they also very specifically have more bony deposits. Even a short, fat, out of shape troll would be much thicker than Arnold ever was. Do some reading on a lot of the record holders for the world's tallest men. A lot of them required braces and canes to walk and became confined to wheelchairs before dying young. That's because the human body's composition isn't meant to be that big. Thus, a troll would have to have a much more stout and robust skeletal structure to support all that weight and size. Of course, that increases their weight and size. Could probably debate the feasibility of trolls for a long time and get nowhere other than "it's a game, deal with it or don't have trolls in your universe", but their height/weight numbers aren't unrealistic because they are too heavy. They're unrealistic because they might be too light.
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post Sep 17 2010, 06:03 AM
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QUOTE (Kruger @ Sep 16 2010, 05:15 PM) *
It's not just the muscle, it's the bone structure to support all of that weight. As the mass of a land mammal increases, so must its skeletal structure thicken. A troll not only is significantly larger than a normal human, they also very specifically have more bony deposits. Even a short, fat, out of shape troll would be much thicker than Arnold ever was. Do some reading on a lot of the record holders for the world's tallest men. A lot of them required braces and canes to walk and became confined to wheelchairs before dying young. That's because the human body's composition isn't meant to be that big. Thus, a troll would have to have a much more stout and robust skeletal structure to support all that weight and size. Of course, that increases their weight and size. Could probably debate the feasibility of trolls for a long time and get nowhere other than "it's a game, deal with it or don't have trolls in your universe", but their height/weight numbers aren't unrealistic because they are too heavy. They're unrealistic because they might be too light.

I'm not sure if you're aware, but bodybuilders do in fact have more bone mass than those of us who do not bodybuild, so that weight of his includes bone mass. Otherwise, apparently you do make a point, as Robert Wadlow, the tallest recorded human (officially, at least), was 8 foot 11 inches and weighted 485 lbs. He was at a comparable height to a troll, and if you tossed on an extra 200 lbs of muscle/bone mass, he wouldn't have needed the cane and leg braces to walk.
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post Sep 17 2010, 06:20 AM
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In one of the discussion about troll size, one comment pointed that throughout most species, the bones hav e roughly the same resistance for a given section. Which force large creature to devote more of their mass to bones.

Assuming a troll to be about 1,5 the height and twice the width of an human, it would give him about 6 times the mass - 2m50 and 350 kg (a bit under 10 feets and about 700 lbs) if we asume an human average of 1m70 and 60 kg (6 feets 8 inches and 120 lbs)

If his bones were built on the same proportions, that would be four times the section - it won't take much enlarging to reach the 'six times the section on human bones' ballpark.
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post Sep 17 2010, 08:10 AM
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Yeah, troll weights are fine. Mass grows with the cube of the height, and on top you have to add proportionally heavier bones and thicker limbs.

Pixies, if they're proportioned like humans and with the same density, they'd weight less than 3 pounds...
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post Sep 17 2010, 09:54 AM
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QUOTE (Manunancy @ Sep 17 2010, 07:20 AM) *
If his bones were built on the same proportions, that would be four times the section - it won't take much enlarging to reach the 'six times the section on human bones' ballpark.


Interesting. the average weight of a human skeleton is around 9 kilograms which should put a troll skeleton at around 54 kilograms.
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post Sep 17 2010, 09:58 AM
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QUOTE (Smokeskin @ Sep 17 2010, 10:10 AM) *
Yeah, troll weights are fine. Mass grows with the cube of the height, and on top you have to add proportionally heavier bones and thicker limbs.

Pixies, if they're proportioned like humans and with the same density, they'd weight less than 3 pounds...

Pocket-Transportable O.o
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post Sep 17 2010, 11:17 AM
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QUOTE (Manunancy @ Sep 17 2010, 02:20 AM) *
if we asume an human average of 1m70 and 60 kg (6 feets 8 inches and 120 lbs)

You know some really really tall really really skinny average humans. Average man is something like 5'9" and 180lbs.
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post Sep 17 2010, 11:20 AM
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Manu is a bit off with his unit conversions - 1.70 m is more like 5'5" and 60 kg about 135 lbs.
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post Sep 17 2010, 11:35 AM
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QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Sep 16 2010, 03:40 PM) *
Well... per rules a Bod 1, Str 1 gnome (or something) can dish out with a minigun without any recoilcompensation on full auto, while running with just 17 dice penalty.

I seem to remember you need minimum Body 8 Strength 8 for heavy weapons, or is that just for stuff larger than LMGs?

Also, uncompensated recoil for heavy weapons is doubled, making it a 28 dice penalty when just standing still. If he's got a 29+ dice pool then yeah he can hit stuff, but since he can't even pick it up it should take him a good few rounds to get the aiming right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)
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post Sep 17 2010, 11:37 AM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 16 2010, 04:00 PM) *
I would force him to use gunnery when handling something of that size.

Gunnery is vehicle-mounted weapons only. Heavy Weapons would make more sense.
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post Sep 17 2010, 11:47 AM
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QUOTE (Aerospider @ Sep 17 2010, 11:37 AM) *
Gunnery is vehicle-mounted weapons only. Heavy Weapons would make more sense.


Doh, yea, that's more sensible.
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post Sep 17 2010, 04:00 PM
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QUOTE (Aerospider @ Sep 17 2010, 01:35 PM) *
I seem to remember you need minimum Body 8 Strength 8 for heavy weapons, or is that just for stuff larger than LMGs?

Also, uncompensated recoil for heavy weapons is doubled, making it a 28 dice penalty when just standing still. If he's got a 29+ dice pool then yeah he can hit stuff, but since he can't even pick it up it should take him a good few rounds to get the aiming right ... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/rotate.gif)


Ah sorry if the "minigun" was a bit misleading. You are right about heavy weapons=double recoil. I change my topic to high velocity assault rifle (Which use the same ammo, but magically have half the recoil *g*)... and only 12 bullets. Dang...

Or Well... let's just say the Pixie wears a gyrostabilisation-harness and the minigun is slightly recoil-modified. There, fixed it *g*.

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post Sep 17 2010, 04:08 PM
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QUOTE (Summerstorm @ Sep 17 2010, 04:00 PM) *
Ah sorry if the "minigun" was a bit misleading. You are right about heavy weapons=double recoil. I change my topic to high velocity assault rifle (Which use the same ammo, but magically have half the recoil *g*)... and only 12 bullets. Dang...

Or Well... let's just say the Pixie wears a gyrostabilisation-harness and the minigun is slightly recoil-modified. There, fixed it *g*.


High velocity assault rifle with drum modification
100 bullets for the win (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
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post Sep 17 2010, 05:04 PM
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QUOTE (The Jopp @ Sep 17 2010, 02:54 AM) *
Interesting. the average weight of a human skeleton is around 9 kilograms which should put a troll skeleton at around 54 kilograms.

Yeah. the life of a troll must be pretty miserable, actually. The book says they only live to be about 55 years. Most of the 8' plus humans lived to only be about 35-40 years old. While the book gives no reason as to why Orks only live to be 40 or so, surely Trolls are wracked with arthritis and other degenerative effects by the time they are in their forties. So even with their assumed more proportional skeletal mass, the toll on their bodies must be significant.

Would make an interesting NPC. An "elderly" troll in a giant motorized wheelchair.
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post Sep 17 2010, 05:19 PM
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QUOTE (Kruger @ Sep 17 2010, 09:04 AM) *
Yeah. the life of a troll must be pretty miserable, actually. The book says they only live to be about 55 years. Most of the 8' plus humans lived to only be about 35-40 years old. While the book gives no reason as to why Orks only live to be 40 or so, surely Trolls are wracked with arthritis and other degenerative effects by the time they are in their forties. So even with their assumed more proportional skeletal mass, the toll on their bodies must be significant.

Would make an interesting NPC. An "elderly" troll in a giant motorized wheelchair.


I believe it was stated in earlier editions that the "short" average lifespan on orks (and even humans is rather low) is due to it being a worldwide average, and for orks, it also mentions most of them die violently but also their advanced metabolism and general living situations (i.e. squalor) account for the short lifespan as well.
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post Sep 17 2010, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE (Kruger @ Sep 17 2010, 11:04 AM) *
The book says they only live to be about 55 years.
Frustrating since they only appeared 51 years ago. As far as I can figure out, no one born a troll has been around long enough to see 55 years of age.
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