Which is the #3 thing to worry about in MGDT, after the trap itself and the Inevitable Monologue.

Well, gold is an element, peanuts aren't.
Elements in other chemical compounds can have completely different characteristics. Breathe O2 and you are fine. breathe O3 and you die.

But if you are still allergic to orichalcum is a good question. I dont know, to be honest. It is a magical alloy after all. No clue what it does with the gold. The only way to find out, would be to test it (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Well, it all depends. Alloys aren't chemically altered. The gold is still there to affect you. People who get nickel dermatitis aren't generally handling pure nickel at all.

Yes, I know, but its a magical alloy. Anything that follows from that is hard to predict.

Sure, but I was more speaking to the other 'chemistry' arguments we had earlier (salt, peanuts, etc.).

Still, it's a magical alloy, in addition to being a "magical alloy". (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I agree that we don't know for sure, but it's just as possible either way.

What I wanted to say is that the comparison of peanuts and gold is flawed. But if orichalcum was a normal alloy with gold, you would be indeed still allergic to it.
But its more than a normal alloy. It is created with alchemy, and I think I read somewere that orichalcum contradicts some laws of nature.

But if I had to decide, as a GM, if the player is allergic to orichalcum or not, I would probably decide that he is.

How about a Severe allergy to Styrofoam. Now -that- is worth the BP!

Especially when the runner ends up in Hong Kong and food is one lifestyle higher than normal.

I don't mean to be rude or anything, but I think there is a flaw in the OP's logic that most of you are missing.



A prejudice towards the Humanis Policlub would have to be an unjustifiable prejudice for the quality to apply. In this case, I believe that the hostility necessary for this quality to apply towards Humanis would have to be truly extraordinary and intense, probably getting into the areas of extreme violence towards Humanis members (like torture and mutilation - one example that comes to my mind is the kind of violence from the Saw movies).


I am unfamiliar with this latter claim that it contradicts the laws of nature. Are you perhaps thinking of the fact that scientific analysis of orichalcum is extremely difficult because all attempts at spectroscopic analysis break it back down into its component metals?

Something like that, but I think I read it in the 3rd edition magic book. But I'm not sure.


Yes, that is another question. Maybe you can't be prejudiced against humanis, because no matter how much you think that they are stupied and evil, you are always right. Its not a prejudice anymore but simply the truth. But maybe I am just prejudiced against humanis here.

Maybe a Quality like "Poor Self Control (Compulsive) Starting fights with humanis members" would be better.
Or maybe you should just invent a new negative quality that is called "Hatred" and is for justifiably hating members
of a specific group of people. This should be less BP worth than "Prejudiced" and/or have stronger consequences.

Or you could just used the prejudiced template, but knock off 5 points from it because the first level is 'automatic' for basically everyone.

@peanut butter - I suppose I should have specified "Isn't necessarily allergic to.."
Since nothing is really known about orichalcum, it is impossible to say for sure if it would trigger a gold allergy.

My opinion on the matter goes back to when someone asked if they should take Prejudice (Technomancers) as common or uncommon.
"Technomancers aren't just uncommon. They're so rare that they are statistically insignificant. Therefore the only way to make that prejudice work would be to assume some people are technomancers even when they weren't."

So, one option for making the Prejudice (Humanis Policlub) work in an "unjustifiable" sense would be to have the character assume that certain people are Humanis just because of their appearance. Then the negative penalty applies, and the character is making an ass of themselves like a proper bigot should.

Technomancers are statistically insignificant for normal people, but for runners they are just uncommen. Its not that unlikely that you have to work together with one.
Imagine a character that is Radical Prejudiced against Johnsons. While this would be no problem for a normal citizen, because it is unlikely that he meets and recognizes a Johnsen ( I'm talking about a runners employer, not just someone with the name), for a shadowrunner SC it would be a disadvantage that makes him nearly unplayable.

*edit: And don't forget that having the negative quality makes it even more likely that the SC meets a Technomancer.
Like said before in this thread, if you have a moderate gold allergy and are Outspoken Prejudiced against Dutch, it is very likely that your next adversary is Goldfinger.

Now I have to resist the urge to make a character that has radical prejudice against people named Johnson.

Native Americans *HATED* Andrew Johnson...

That could be your tie in.

If Technomancers are about the same chance of ocurrence than Awakened people, then, they occur around 1% of the time. You might think that 1% is a very low number and practically rare and I can't find the numbers right now, but I'm almost sure that the medical population of Brasil is around 0.25% and they are not that hard to find. If someone could be prejudiced against medics, why not against TM's?

I think you meant mages, and many are against TM's.

Either that, or he's saying 'doctors are rare, too'.

I don't know. I have a ghoul NPC that tells me that they're medium on occasion, but that's because there was a riot and a hospital burned down.

I meant both, doctors are a "rare" bunch, but nonetheless still easy to find. Like I said, I know Awakened population is around 1%, I think the same percentage is true for the Emerged.

Hmm, sucks for somebody who can't hold down cooked meat (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

I'm pretty sure that technomancer are lot more rare then awakened.

Actually, I was under the impression that TMs were even rarer than Awakened. Keep in mind that Awakened have been cropping up for several decades now, but TMs only started showing up in the last decade or two, that alone would indicate there are likely to be less purely on there being fewer old TMs than old mages.

Also, prior to the crash of 64, TM's power apparently faded with age, so once again, very few people will have been a TM for more than a decade or so, while one could have been a mage for several decades.

Other than that I can't find anything that says their exact rarity, but I still think that it is significantly less than mages.

The other, bigger problem with a prejudice against TMs is how absurdly difficult it would be to pick one out. A TM could easily masquerade as a hacker with an internal commlink, or pretend to be using their external commlink. Even a mage would have trouble picking them out due to the 5 or so net hits needed to spot resonance. At least mages will occasionally dress/act weird, and you can tell fairly easily (by the new rules) when they cast a spell.

That's why you buy a dog that can sniff (matrix-wise and meat world-wise) technomancers, just like Clockworkd did. If Clockwork can be EXTREMELY prejudiced against TM's AI's and sprites, why can't I? My current character has an active prejudice against aztlaners because he thinks everyone of them is a blood mage or a blood mage's slave. It doesn't mean they all are... The same can be said of someone with prejudice against TM's, if he sees someone without a comlink, will he wait to check if the person has an internal comlink? It might be too late and by then the probable technomancer has already hacked his comlink and his cybereyes and is editing his sight on the fly creating an ilusion (again, not that this is possible, but that this could be someone's line of thought).

technomancer sniffing dogs are stupid and should not freaking exist.
A Dog with the same Magical alteration as technomancers? That's just.. painful.