So what happened in the end?, CGL, state of Dumpshock, etc. Options

[Fatum]

I went to school in 94.

Also, Pathfinder seems to be the most commonly encountered third edition offshoot, I know a couple of games in IRC...

[Cain]

Wow, has it really been that long?! I remember coming to this place round 94 for info on 1st/2nd Ed and getting into the Dumpshock/Shadowland war a bit after. I can't say I've played a game of SR in the last 10 years but, it was always a fun read -- the similarity between the 80's outlook and today is surprising in truth (where are ya Dunk?! We need ya!). Its been fun and I'll probably continue to read the board and maybe some books but, I doubt I'll ever play again unless I can find a group who likes 3rd (same with D&D, odd that). Good luck to ya'll and may the new year bring you fortune, or at least some luck. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)

I started here back in the early 90's, before it was Dumpshock. It was known as Deep Resonance back then. I still remember the Christmas-colored board.

[Warlordtheft]

I went to school in 94.

Also, Pathfinder seems to be the most commonly encountered third edition offshoot, I know a couple of games in IRC...

I was in college, it was when 2nd ed came out--played 1st ed in H.S. Got a good campaign that lasted for almost 2 years. If I could do anything from my youth again, college would be it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[forgarn]

I was in college, it was when 2nd ed came out--played 1st ed in H.S. Got a good campaign that lasted for almost 2 years. If I could do anything from my youth again, college would be it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

In '94 I had graduated HS, flunked out of college (after 3 years I might add), joined the Navy, got out of the Navy after 6 years, and had 2 jobs. Started playing D&D with the Red & Blue box sets. Played all the editions through 4th. Played Cyberpunk and then got into Shadowrun in 2nd ed. Played SR3E the most and really liked that. Played 4e the last 3 years and am trying desperately to learn 5e. Not sure I like everything about it, but as a CDT agent I need to know it.

[fenrishero]

At this point, I have no opinion about 5th other than they are publishing stuff way too slow. At this point, we should have one or two of the crunch books in our hands.

Then again, there was a really bad year for tabletop RPGs. Minimal publications for just about every major IP.

[Bigity]

Let's not accelerate the issues with errata and editing and such by speeding up the schedule. Slow down, do it right. Then worry about the schedule.

[binarywraith]

Let's not accelerate the issues with errata and editing and such by speeding up the schedule. Slow down, do it right. Then worry about the schedule.

Yeah. Catalyst is pretty much looking incompetent in the editing department right now. Don't rush them, maybe if they take six more weeks someone will think to run a spellcheck and properly label which draft goes to the printers. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)

[nezumi]

I finally got a chance to play SR5 at Charm City Gameday. Overall I liked it. Some nice improvements over SR4, while still being very fast to run.

That said ... it's still not fast enough for a 'drop and play' game (but neither is D&D past level 5). And it doesn't have the tactical fun of SR3.

[Tzeentch]

Let's not accelerate the issues with errata and editing and such by speeding up the schedule. Slow down, do it right. Then worry about the schedule.

Errata doesn't make money to pay writers, editors, artists, and other staff. There's a clear winner when it comes to allocating time I'm afraid.

And wasn't the errata pretty much collated at this point and even incorporated into new (foreign) printings?

[Fatum]

Errata doesn't make money to pay writers, editors, artists, and other staff. There's a clear winner when it comes to allocating time I'm afraid.

And wasn't the errata pretty much collated at this point and even incorporated into new (foreign) printings?

German printings do not rely on CGL for errata, for all I know. Pegasus just wipes CGL's ass for it consistently.

[Stahlseele]

German printings do not rely on CGL for errata, for all I know. Pegasus just wipes CGL's ass for it consistently.

Nes.
No and Yes.
Pegasus Spiele technically gets it's errata (as far as rules relevant stuff is concerned) from CFL.
But the difference is that Pegasus Spiele actually implements it, while CGL has it and does not. .

And Pegasus Spiele basically says GTFO to the really stupid Crap CGL puts out.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

And Pegasus Spiele basically says GTFO to the really stupid Crap CGL puts out.

So... no 5th Edition for Germany? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Stahlseele]

So... no 5th Edition for Germany? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

THAT particular Idiocy unfortunately wasn't stupid enough . .
I am talking about the racist bullshit someone decided to put into WAR! for example that made it look like it was being pandered to Klansmen and Nazis all around the world.
The hunting dead jew ghosts/zombies for the scalpell of a Nazi CLERK in Auschwitz and the poisoning of gipsy wells was cout out wholesale and replaced with something less offensive.
Hell, CGL was too chicken to go whole hog and actually make it the scalpell of mengele himself, because that probably would not have gone over well even in america of all places . .
Slow was also changed, as was the charge spell.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

THAT particular Idiocy unfortunately wasn't stupid enough . .
I am talking about the racist bullshit someone decided to put into WAR! for example that made it look like it was being pandered to Klansmen and Nazis all around the world.
The hunting dead jew ghosts/zombies for the scalpell of a Nazi CLERK in Auschwitz and the poisoning of gipsy wells was cout out wholesale and replaced with something less offensive.
Hell, CGL was too chicken to go whole hog and actually make it the scalpell of mengele himself, because that probably would not have gone over well even in america of all places . .
Slow was also changed, as was the charge spell.

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif) I know... was just funnin' a bit...
Indeed... that particular bit of writing was indeed beyond the pale, in my opinion.
However, not ALL of WAR! was that bad (though I am still confounded by Bogota's Docks and sea access).

[Sendaz]

Slow was also changed, as was the charge spell.

Oh? Dare we ask what they did to them?

[Stahlseele]

Oh? Dare we ask what they did to them?

Slow was basically changed to Mass Levitation as it probably was meant to, so no more complete control over entropy and slowing down projectiles if i remember correctly . .
Charge i don't quite remember.

[Sendaz]

I suppose that does make more sense since the creative uses for such an kinetic energy sink were numerous, but probably more than a bit game breaking. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

Bet they made Charge only work if wireless was enabled. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Remnar]

I always wondered why people invest in home defense carbines or shotguns but never seem to mount bayonets on them.

Crap, good point. Gotta cram a bayonet on the theoretical home defense shotgun I'm gonna put together one of these years. Gonna need to look into how to mount it and the flashlight in the same general area.

Maybe I can make Abomination from Monster Hunters International.

EDIT: On second thought, nope. I'll stick with my .45 and a Spyderco. And a 12 gauge.

[kzt]

Crap, good point. Gotta cram a bayonet on the theoretical home defense shotgun I'm gonna put together one of these years. Gonna need to look into how to mount it and the flashlight in the same general area.

Maybe I can make Abomination from Monster Hunters International.

Try this: http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg

[Nath]

However, not ALL of WAR! was that bad (though I am still confounded by Bogota's Docks and sea access).

That was not in War!. It was in Deadly Waters.

As far as War! and geography are concerned, people criticized the depiction of Bogota surroundings as "jungle" when it is actually highlands and mountains (though covered with rainforest, which most people couldn't tell apart from jungle).

[Sendaz]

As far as War! and geography are concerned, people criticized the depiction of Bogota surroundings as "jungle" when it is actually highlands and mountains (though covered with rainforest, which most people couldn't tell apart from jungle).

Didn't Isaac Ashimov once say that 'Any sufficiently advanced rainforest is indistinguishable from jungle?' (IMG:style_emoticons/default/nyahnyah.gif)

[Remnar]

Try this: http://www.tromix.com/images/S178inchLrg3w.jpg

I remember checking out a Saiga 20 gauge years back at a local shop. Seemed pretty darned fun, but I had little use for a 20 gauge, and they didn't have any in 12. Some day I do plan on picking one up for kicks.

::shudder:: War! That book. Man, it got me to swear off hardcover Shadowrun books for ever, .pdf's only from that point on. And I think I've only gotten 2 since.

[Tymeaus Jalynsfe...]

That was not in War!. It was in Deadly Waters.

See, WAR! was not so bad after all. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)
Deadly Waters, on the other hand was apparently pretty flawed. Bogota and Docks... who would have thought... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wobble.gif)

[Koekepan]

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/08/world/as...ed=all&_r=0

The fatality rates in Afghanistan for wounded soldiers were well under 10% in 2011, ~13% for rifle and machinegun hits. I've personally met at least one soldier who came back with over 50% full-body 3rd degree burns and is up and walking around again these days. A burn rehab tech I know worked with a couple that were over 90%. Modern medical science is a hell of a thing.

A surgeon of my acquaintance (who spent quality time, in his long career, in some of the nastier inner city ERs of this country) tells me that the civilian handgun wound survival rate, when medical care is delivered, is well over 80%. This includes all calibres, and all hit locations, from head to toe, and includes all numbers of hits from one, up.

The topic came up when we were discussing Gabby Giffords's prognosis, and discussing the difference between an incapacitating stop, and a lethal wound. He pointed out that while she survived, she immediately stopped doing whatever she was doing (i.e. immediate flaccid paralysis, dropping like a sack of turnips to the ground) owing to central nervous system trauma. He informed me of a different case where a headshot was neither lethal nor even disabling. Apparently a criminal managed to snatch a gun from a cop, made him kneel, and then shot him in the head, but nobody explained to the criminal that angled shots are bad, the brain is in the middle of the head, and holding the gun sideways as per rap videos doesn't make it more lethal. The .45 bullet bounced off the skull, leaving the cop with a bad headache. The cop had had enough, got up, and turned the (astonished) criminal into a statistic.

Remember, a bullet can hit the head and just graze the cheek, or hit the leg and lay the femoral artery open. A headshot isn't a synonym for lethal (despite what the videogame industry would have you believe) and a limb shot isn't necessarily a minor and temporary inconvenience.

The usual reason for lethality being more than one might expect is that where civilian shootings occur they tend to be either gangland killings, or intersections between criminals and law abiding homeowners. Under these conditions multiple wounds are typical, and they often involve expanding ammunition, which the army isn't supposed to be using (spitzer upset in the body notwithstanding).

[Fatum]

A surgeon of my acquaintance (who spent quality time, in his long career, in some of the nastier inner city ERs of this country) tells me that the civilian handgun wound survival rate, when medical care is delivered, is well over 80%.

From what I saw in youtube shootout videos, that could as well be because of the shooters' leet skillz.