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post Jun 12 2006, 10:30 PM
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Be careful there. If you stat the commlinks inside a LoneStar patrol car too well, then they become bait for theft. 10,000+ nuyen worth of computers inside? Delicious. Besides, in order to make a solid matrix defense you require at least two decently statted commlinks. (One chokepoint, the second being the workplace)

Fencing Lonestar goods more than a few times will buy you a ticket to a bad place I am sure. I think they should have decent stuff, if the runners steal it, so be it. Make a habit of it, and they will pay.
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post Jun 12 2006, 10:34 PM
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QUOTE (Red @ Jun 12 2006, 11:39 AM)
Be careful there.  If you stat the commlinks inside a LoneStar patrol car too well, then they become bait for theft.  10,000+ nuyen worth of computers inside?  Delicious.  Besides, in order to make a solid matrix defense you require at least two decently statted commlinks.  (One chokepoint, the second being the workplace)

Fencing Lonestar goods more than a few times will buy you a ticket to a bad place I am sure. I think they should have decent stuff, if the runners steal it, so be it. Make a habit of it, and they will pay.

Agreed. After a few times, you'll get a reputation for stealing and fencing LS goods. I doubt any fence with a sense of self-preservation will touch you after that. Not to mention that the cops will definitely be asking around.
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post Jun 12 2006, 10:38 PM
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Unless of course they just want to steal it for themselves.
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post Jun 13 2006, 03:00 AM
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SR4 stats shouldn't be that hard. <snip>

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post Jun 13 2006, 07:23 AM
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QUOTE (Geekkake)
QUOTE (Squinky @ Jun 12 2006, 05:30 PM)
QUOTE (Red @ Jun 12 2006, 11:39 AM)
Be careful there.  If you stat the commlinks inside a LoneStar patrol car too well, then they become bait for theft.  10,000+ nuyen worth of computers inside?  Delicious.  Besides, in order to make a solid matrix defense you require at least two decently statted commlinks.  (One chokepoint, the second being the workplace)

Fencing Lonestar goods more than a few times will buy you a ticket to a bad place I am sure. I think they should have decent stuff, if the runners steal it, so be it. Make a habit of it, and they will pay.

Agreed. After a few times, you'll get a reputation for stealing and fencing LS goods. I doubt any fence with a sense of self-preservation will touch you after that. Not to mention that the cops will definitely be asking around.

Stealing from the 'Star is BAD - their gear probably has several nasty tracking devices hidden in it, and even if the players will remove them, being a target of a theft is very bad to a Cop Corp's reputation; they'll go after the thieves in force simply to keep their reputation.

On the other hand, that CommLink is a good reason to be on the good side of your Lone Star contact - it will probably cost you a *major* favor, but there ARE ways to get one without the tracking devices and without alerting the corp by means of connections and corruption. Not easy, but rewarding.

And yes, I've changed the car's radio to a Sattelite Uplink. Thabks for that piece of advice :)
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post Jun 13 2006, 01:04 PM
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If the cheese is good enough, the mice will find a way to take it. LoneStar has thousands of patrol cars around the metroplex. One of them is going to go into a matrix deadzone at some point. Whether it is a strong jammer, or driving into an inclosed structure, or whatever. It is a car, and it isn't nailed to the ground. Toss it into a "box" with enough shielding and all those tracking devices don't mean a thing. Given sufficient skill and tools, runners or chopshoppers can disassemble the parts and take exactly what they want and no more.

It is highly unlikely that anybody would do this sort of thing on a large scale. They are simply easier ways to steal commlinks. But I don't buy the idea that just because there are tracking devices, and they have LS logos stamped on them that players should never consider it. Both of those can be circumvented provided there is sufficient reason, like 15,000 nuyen worth of computers (completely arbitrary number). They do far worse, and far more dangerous things in their line of work. The only real protection the GM can offer a patrol car is to simply point out that; 1. There are bigger fruit out there, and 2. Some of that fruit is easier to get.

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post Jun 16 2006, 07:36 PM
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I stumbled about that picture with regular german policemen carrying MP5 in front of a german army hospital in hamburg (in 2004, I think).
In the background you can see a Sonderwagen 4, which is basically a civil APC but based on the Unimog (a truck, rather than a military vehicle).

[The Sonderwagen 4 was built by the Thyssen Maschinenbau, which was bought in 1997 and renamed to ThyssenKrupp...]
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