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 Oct 5 2006, 08:51 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 858 Joined: 25-August 03 From: Braunschweig, North German League, Allied German States Member No.: 5,537  |
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Oct 5 2006, 09:13 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Los Angeles? First they give the whole of SoCal a swirly, and then it gets put into 'Corp Zones'? OK, am I that out of touch with the SR world that I find this puzzling for it to be in the book and not say NYC?
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Oct 5 2006, 09:50 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
They seem to have taken a pretty hands off approach to NY for quite a while. Maybe it seems to cliche'? Who knows. I agree that NYC seems much more appropriate for a book called 'Corp Zones", since that's pretty much how they've always defined it. I think they're going for L.A. though because there's a lot more going on there, and let's face it, you can only say "this corp executive is plotting against this corp executive, and watns to do this.." so many ways, and that's pretty much what's going on in New York. besides, they described NY as being one of those corp places where's theres' so much security everywhere you'd get a fine for spitting in a back alley. We already have enough locals with so much security that you can't really run to effectively. They needed something else woudl be my guess.
Besides, now you get to 'run' in New Venice! :D |
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Oct 5 2006, 09:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Horizon is based in L.A. , NYC has drek.
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Oct 5 2006, 09:51 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,314 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lisbon, Cidade do Pecado Member No.: 185 |
And who said NYC isn't in the book?
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Oct 5 2006, 10:10 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,718 Joined: 14-September 02 Member No.: 3,263 |
Well I didn't mean to say/imply/pronounce it wasn't in the book. We are talking about the 2 big slots out of a total of 6, assuming it uses the same format as Runner Havens (which is the plan, correct?). LA just seems to me a really odd selection for a major piece in Corp Zones, given all that's happened with it and the environment around it. Plus with the relative derth over the past 17 years, and with the rebuilding having been done, some really cool corporate things could introduced as part of NYC. Whereas LA strikes me as somewhere to get your aquatic spelunking freak on. |
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Oct 5 2006, 10:35 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
I'm hoping that it's part of an effort to give CalFree a bit of a tune up really. Coem to think of it, I don't think we've ever done a run in New York. Just didn't sound interesting the way it was described. It always seemed to me like everyone was to deeply entrenched already. like it was a "let's maintiain teh status quo and just do some business" type place. Hopefully if they do a write up on it , that'll change and give me some more to work with.
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Oct 5 2006, 10:58 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,556 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle Member No.: 98 |
But are you wearing a shirt? :) |
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Oct 5 2006, 11:10 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Well except for the East Coast Stock Exchange which is - well, you know - the main stock exchange for the whole of North America IIRC. |
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Oct 5 2006, 11:36 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
That was in Boston. Did it get moved back?
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Oct 5 2006, 11:39 PM
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King of the Hobos Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,117 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 127 |
Yeah. I guess after a crazed AI hijacks the busiest and most prestigious IPO you've ever handled you kind of lose the confidence of the business community. ;) As of the the main book for Fourth Edition they've moved back to New York.
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Oct 5 2006, 11:40 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,430 Joined: 10-January 05 From: Fort Worth, Texas Member No.: 6,957 |
With any luck NYC will have been converted to a giant maximum security prison. Then they can print a run where the president of the UCAS crashes there and the team is given money (and cranium bombs) to get them to rescue him (and more importantly some data he's got).
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Oct 5 2006, 11:44 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Yeah, make more business for those pre-fab city wall companies out there. Seriously, Chicago, El INfernio, like three cities in Germany. That's the way to make out like a bandit in SR. Giant pre-fab wall companies.
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Oct 6 2006, 01:08 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
One thing I loved about Escape from New York was the fact that they couldn't actually do the wireframe of the city on a computer. They built a scale model, painted black, and went over it with glow-in-the-dark tape in a grid pattern. Or so the IMDB gods tell me. |
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Oct 6 2006, 01:16 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 27-February 03 Member No.: 4,171 |
Trust these gods. The special edition DVD covers that and many more tidbits of interest. |
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Oct 6 2006, 08:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 475 Joined: 13-March 06 From: dusty Mexican borderlands Member No.: 8,372 |
Boston would've been a much better choice, in my opinion, as one of the two cities to get the most coverage, especially moreso than the Los Angeles Archipelago. I mean, even once the ECSE has been moved back to NYC (and the possible power vacuum), there's the NeoNET corporate HQ slavering over MIT&T grads, with other corps stealing tons of cutting edge R&D.
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Oct 6 2006, 08:42 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
No. It's honestly quite puzzling. Every time Southern California gets mentioned - even in passing - in any part of Shadowrun the stupid factor gets ratchetted up a notch. No exceptions. At this point we've gone beyond "Aztec forces conquered the largest naval base on the planet by force of arms but couldn't make it any farther because the military of... Orange County? stopped them cold..." all the way to "Dimensional rifts opened up and dropped land formations a kilometer high and more below the waves in an area 200 kilometers across in a massive calamity that somehow managed to not destroy all life on Earth or even seriously disrupt dealings in the local major corporate offices." At this point there is only thing that can be done to salvage the situation. I'll give you a hint: It starts wet "Ret" and it ends with "con". I don't think it's even possible to make the region's official history more retarded, so there's nowhere to go but up. -Frank |
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Oct 6 2006, 09:31 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
Since when are naval bases well defended against an army large enough to occupy a hostile city of a couple of million? In any case, all of the ships were likely gone after the CFS seceded. The need to occupy and control a large, hostile population is likely what kept the Azzies from pushing any farther. You can nibble off something like San Diego if you concentrate your forces there, and your supply lines are...short. Remember, the Tir didn't move back from it's farthest line of southern advance into CFS because it was pushed back, it just couldn't hold on in the face of the population taking potshots at them and blowing up their supply convoys. It's the same reason the Azzies would be insane to conquer a gunned up citizenry in Houston or Dallas even if the CAS cut their defenses by 50%. But, yes, SR California history in general is crazy at best, stupid at worst. |
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Oct 6 2006, 09:40 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
And that differs from SR non-California history how? |
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Oct 6 2006, 09:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 750 Joined: 9-August 06 Member No.: 9,059 |
Hey, the EuroWars being ended by a mysterious force of uncatchable commandos and super high tech bombers with no discoverable affiliation makes perfect sense. And why the Supreme Court hasn't made corporations sovereign entities yet still puzzles me.
But I'll admit the idea that there might ever be fraud involved with electronic voting in a presidential election was a bit over the top. |
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Oct 6 2006, 09:52 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,537 Joined: 27-August 06 From: Albuquerque NM Member No.: 9,234 |
Yeah, that's well established as being impossible. Just ask Diebold. Odd how the momentum towards electronic voting seems to have faded. . . http://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006...n_machin_1.html |
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Oct 6 2006, 11:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 394 Joined: 19-May 03 From: In your base eating your food. Member No.: 4,607 |
Heh I agree but I think you're just pissed because you didn't get to write the new stuff. Hell I'm pissed I didn't get to write it, I spent 26 years around there. :) |
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Oct 9 2006, 05:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 129 Joined: 26-July 04 From: Arhus, Denmark & Paris, France Member No.: 6,516 |
About LA there seems to be a contradiction in the corebook.
Afaik LA is still part of Pueblo Corporate Council, atleast thats what the map states at the end of the 4th rulebook. But under the profiles in the same book on page 42 Horizion is said to have its HQ in LA which on that page is part of Calfornia Free State. I assume thats a typo and that LA is still under Pueblo control which was a result of the earthquake plothook right? |
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Oct 9 2006, 05:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 403 Joined: 6-April 06 From: Tampere, Finland Member No.: 8,432 |
As it reads in Shadowrun 4. edition errata v. 1.3 (dated December 28, 2005):
p. 48 Horizon Headquarters should be "Pueblo Corporate Council" not "California Free State" |
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Oct 9 2006, 05:41 PM
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Prime Runner Group: Banned Posts: 3,732 Joined: 1-September 05 From: Prague, Czech Republic Member No.: 7,665 |
Oh that's not the least of it. California is, by population (and practically land area as well), half Los Angeles. There are 35 million people in California and over 17 million of them live in LA. In SoNA, the PCC conquered LA, and their population didn't grow! The population of the CFS also hasn't shrunk. It's still in the 30 millions. So apparently the entire population of LA got up and moved to San Francisco and Fresno. That's the equivalent of the mass migration of the entire population of Ireland, Israel, and Sweden combined. The contradictin in the basic book has actually been addressed in errata (Horizon is based in the PCC). The fundamental underlying stench of poor planning has not. The entire plotline for the region is incoherent. The apparent demand is for California to be essentially unchanged while being an unimportant political entity. That's impossible. California has as many people as Poland and a bigger economy than France. It's the largest political entity in the region, and changing that has huge ripple effects that the Shadowrun devs have heretofor been unwilling or unable to address. -Frank |
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