 Killing a Dragon, Let's drudge up this old gem... |
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 Dec 4 2005, 12:28 AM
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Resident Legionnaire  Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550  |
For some reason I pictured a runner with a fresh diaper in his hand, and a butt-naked dragon squirming away on the carpet... |
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Dec 4 2005, 02:41 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,283 Joined: 17-May 05 Member No.: 7,398 |
What about a few S-K cruise missile strikes?
And about how long it would take the S-K strike teams to arrive: How long does it take a Lone Star FRT or Ares Firewatch team to arrive? Lofwyr's got the resources to go and hire a few of those on short notice. |
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Dec 4 2005, 04:25 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 511 Joined: 24-March 05 From: On a ledge between Heaven and Hell Member No.: 7,226 |
Yes. |
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Dec 4 2005, 04:44 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Apparently, to kill a dragon, elect him.
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Dec 4 2005, 12:43 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
To be President. Apparently being elected CEO doesn't kill a dragon. |
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Dec 4 2005, 01:02 PM
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Uncle Fisty Group: Admin Posts: 13,891 Joined: 3-January 05 From: Next To Her Member No.: 6,928 |
Can't think of a lot of dragons that try to get elected as CEO. Most apparently just walk in and magically own the place, and kick ya' out of the CEO spot without so much as a 'How do you do?'
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Dec 4 2005, 03:05 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,066 Joined: 5-February 03 Member No.: 4,017 |
Not exactly, it involves buying up 50.01% of voting stock before walking in. Then, no one can oppose the claim of CEO and chairdragon.
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Dec 4 2005, 03:56 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 05 Member No.: 7,093 |
If i remember correctly, Lofwyr decided that .01% wasn't slap-in-the-face enough, and did it with a full on 60%
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Dec 4 2005, 03:59 PM
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panda! Group: Members Posts: 10,331 Joined: 8-March 02 From: north of central europe Member No.: 2,242 |
and the payment was i cash, right?
iirc, one big lump of gold... |
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Dec 4 2005, 06:01 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 351 Joined: 17-February 05 Member No.: 7,093 |
nah, he spent twenty years quietly buying up stock and playing the investor game, using a chunk of his hoarded gold as initial cash. People like to comment that he used a straight chunk of his hoard to buy the stocks wholesale, but that doesn't really make sense, this isn't the nanosecond buyout here, that much stock shifting that fast would have been noticed, and probably countered by Wilhelmina and her friends, making it an epic struggle for control of the corp. Instead, Lofwyr just walked in one day, to the surprise of everyone, and declared himself king and chairdragon. Nobody knew how much he owned until he told them, that kind of secrecy takes time and careful planning, not some grand, gold-filled gesture (though i wouldn't put that last beyond Lofwyr if he felt it served his purposes better).
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Dec 5 2005, 05:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 18-November 05 Member No.: 7,978 |
So, what are the stats for Dragons like in SR4?
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Dec 5 2005, 11:50 PM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
The same.
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Dec 6 2005, 12:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 203 Joined: 18-November 05 Member No.: 7,978 |
Wait, so they changed the whole system, but left stats the same?
Dragons have quickness instead of agility and reaction? |
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Dec 6 2005, 12:46 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Ha ha! Ok, similar
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Dec 6 2005, 12:47 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
So really, they got a bit of a boost as far as SR4's generally lower attributes are concerned.
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Dec 6 2005, 12:48 AM
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Free Spirit Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,948 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Bloomington, IN UCAS Member No.: 1,920 |
Right, they are more powerful than ever.
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Dec 6 2005, 12:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 177 Joined: 21-October 05 From: In a Starbucks™ café near you Member No.: 7,870 |
The way I see it, dragons and other immortals are significantly less powerful than in SR3 since the new edition took away karma pool, their universal get out of jail free card.
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Dec 6 2005, 01:00 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
Wow, good point. You have just dealt a great blow to the "OMG DRAGONS ARE UNKILLABLE AND THIS IS WHY!" crowd.
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Dec 6 2005, 02:55 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 61 Joined: 17-November 05 Member No.: 7,977 |
Uh, they may have removed the karma pool, but they added in the "you're fucked clause."
Rolled a bunch of successes when attacking a dragon? Whoopsie-doodle, the great dragon just used his special ability to make you reroll all those successes. Sure he used edge, and he only has a finite amount of it... but are you going to live long enough to watch him run out of edge? Probably not. |
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Dec 6 2005, 03:09 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 903 Joined: 7-February 03 Member No.: 4,025 |
Sigh, I miss the good old days of completely arbitrary threat ratings.
Player: "No, I'm asking how many dice you're gonna roll." Gm: "And I'm asking you how many we got!" |
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Dec 6 2005, 03:49 AM
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Resident Legionnaire Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,136 Joined: 8-August 04 From: Usually Work Member No.: 6,550 |
See, but that's the thing, it is now finite. Spirits, quickened spells, hordes of minions, traps, and just about everything else the dragon crew mentions can be overcome with planning and the right resources (which may or may not be out of reach depending on the PC's. The one thing that was completely out of your control was that dragon's karma pool and the unique ways which he could use it to fuck you (and not the good way). Compounding this was that the dragon had a boatload of karma pool to do it with (some people say greats would have KP in the thousands...I respectfully disagree on that point). |
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Dec 6 2005, 07:17 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
The way I see it a Great Dragon is an enemy that should be impossible to kill for groups of PCs. It is unfluffy.
Killing Adult Dragons is a different story. It could be done. With a lot of carefull and secret planning. And unconventional thinking. The direct approach will most likely not work. Because the Dragon will be prepared for it. One thing can't be represented by the rules: All Dragons are creatures of great cunning. They survived millenias. Most of them have a whole fragging lot of experience with stupid people wanting to kill them. They survived. Every single wannabe dragonslayer of the past. Actually they had an appointment for dinner with a lot of these guys... ;) |
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Dec 6 2005, 08:24 AM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,328 Joined: 28-November 05 From: Zuerich Member No.: 8,014 |
Yes, but things change. It is one thing to deal with a pesky knight and similar stuff, but a whole different thing to deal with modern technology, or even the the SR4 tech. Or just some old-fashioned massive explosion.
IMHO, the only thing keeping Dragons alive are their helpers and ressources - stats don't matter when the entire building gets vaporised, f.e. |
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Dec 6 2005, 09:37 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 934 Joined: 26-August 05 From: Earth - Europe - AGS - Norddeutscher Bund - Hannover Member No.: 7,624 |
A pesky knight that was able to use magical powers that were much stronger than everything seen in the sixth world. Powerfull spellcasters in the times of the last scourge have been absolutely able to use powers similar to modern day weapons of mass destruction. An archer-adept's arrows are not less dangerous to a dragon than an AA missile.
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Dec 6 2005, 10:12 AM
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Freelance Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 7,324 Joined: 30-September 04 From: Texas Member No.: 6,714 |
It's not like "pesky knight" in Earthdawn meant "delusional Catholic minor nobility," like it does IRL. Take a look at some high-Circle ED stuff, and you'll see the sort of power these half-assed Adepts and spellcasters in Shadowrun have dreams about.
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