What I learned tonight Options

[Adam]

Yo.

Had a report that there's a lot of pointless swearing here, and lo and behold, there is. Please try to keep it somewhat PG-13, folks. You can discuss adult issues without resorting to four letter words for emphasis.

Thank you.

[Fresno Bob]

Told.

[KillaJ]

[GreatChicken]

Better to be small than be a big man who can't substansiate his arguments. :|

[KillaJ]

Um...I think that there needs to be an emoticon for dripping with sarcasm. Anyone have any ideas? On a completely related note does anyone else think that some folks take these discussions a little too seriously? This is a forum for discussing a fictional game right? Sometimes I can't shake the feeling that I have stumbled into some sort of online church or something.

[Fresno Bob]

You mean this isn't an online church? Damn, I thought I was reforming.

[Number 6]

[Arethusa]

Killing may never be a good act, but it can be justifiable and sometimes even necessary. Rape, however, is a crime that specifically requires I derive pleasure from the suffering of another human being. Would I rather be raped than killed? Sure. Does that make a rapist who's never killed anyone better than a soldier? Hardly.

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

*shakes his head and tries to forget ever clicking the link*

[I Eat Time]

One can say what one will about how sick and depraved the troll player is. But frankly, I would much prefer he get his craps and giggles playing a game with adults than committing the acts in real life. He may snigger and give one of those "Oh jeebus, that's AWFUL" laughs, like when you hear a really racist joke. But I really doubt he'd ever do something like that.

Keep in mind a lot of people get humor out of stuff like that not because they enjoy or relish the thought of such dirty deeds, but because the flat-out shock value inspires "Oh, no he didn't" laughter. Racist jokes again. It's a morally gray area, granted, whether we should be laughing in any way towards dark, sick stuff like that, but it's certainly not horribly repugnant or disgusting.

Then again, I don't know this player. I just hope that if the guy really IS that sick, then the GM has sense enough to take him out of the game and call the proper authorities.

[Guest_Crimsondude 2.0_*]

Laughter is often an initial pyschological reaction to shock, pain, terror.
My favorite example is the SS during the 30s and 40s when they were killing Jews and undesirables (before the gas chambers, when they had to, amongst other things, shoot them). Often times they would be laughing, but while many people assumed they were just sadistic f*cks (which they were) it was also an involuntary reaction to the sheer insanity of gunning down unarmed civilians.

Which is why every scar on my body (along with the mental ones) has an accompanying laugh track. I happened to hit my head today pretty hard, and even though it hurt like a mother, my reaction consisted of laughing my ass off.

Go figure.

And murder is not even comparable to rape. Not even close.

[Abstruse]

The player is a cool guy. He doesn't drink, doesn't smoke, doesn't do drugs, doesn't steal, doesn't rape, and is generally an all-round nice guy. The CHARACTER he is PLAYING, however, is not a nice guy. His CHARACTER has his own set of morals which don't exactly match the rest of the world. His CHARACTER doesn't see the harm in killing people who deserve to be killed, locking up a girl in a room who has done far worse to other people, or other things we would find totally distasteful. The character does, however, feel that people who are "innocent" don't deserve such treatment. Please note these are the CHARACTER's motivations, morals, and actions and not the PLAYER's.

This, folks, is FICTION. In fiction, sometimes people do things that others would find distasteful. How many people think the scene with Mr. Blonde and the cop in RESERVOIR DOGS is a cool scene? Or "Sheperds we shall be, for Thee my Lord for Thee..."? Or "...and you will KNOW my name is the LORD when I lay My vengence upon thee!"? Or any of the things John Wayne or Clint Eastwood did in their movies? How about RoboCop? The novel Neuromancer? The comic book character The Punisher? How about the racist-spewing Ed Norton in AMERICAN HISTORY X? These aren't exactly good guys. That's why they're called anti-heros.

Remember folks, fictional violence good, real violence BAD. When you can't tell the difference between the two, then it's time to put the books away and start seeing a shrink.

The Abstruse One

PS. Since adding the gang girl to his "harem", he hasn't really brought her up at all. He's never said he's raped her, put her out on the street, or anything like that. He just has her locked in his basement.

[Neon Tiger]

[shadd4d]

I question is whether we have to swear at all on this forum. It's one of the major reasons why this forum is #3 out of the forums I visit (Peginc and Fanpro being #s 1 and 2).

Don

[TinkerGnome]

If it's a character thing and the player's not nuts, then it's fine, if your group can handle it. As far as gaming goes, that's not even that bad... take a look at some of the stuff White Wolf's world of darkness goes into and encourages on a regular basis.

[toturi]

That's why I consider WW WoD games a mostly crash course on tragedy method acting.

[shadd4d]

[lspahn72]

[Number 6]

[shadd4d]

[John Campbell]

[Flyboy]

so anyway, food fight was fun for me too.

[Phaeton]

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[CoalHeart]

Rule number 1. This is a fictional game.
Rule number 2. These are fictional characters.
Rule number 3. This is not real.
Rule number 4. This is roleplaying.
Rule number 5. You are not your character.



So put the rules together and what do you get? People pretending to do unreal stuff to make believe characters, for fun, and excitement, even if it may be perverse.

So what if his troll is a bastard.

Locking some gang girl in a basement is nothing compared to my entire group of sick weirdos.

They've used children(kidnapped from a shadow ops medical research center) as bartering chips with ghouls and a rival corporation to the previous.

They've brainwashed and enslaved nearly 20 people bought on a slave trade market to be used as pawns, soldiers, fodder, and manual labor. (I don't think anyone has openly said they've used them for anything sexual)

The Samurai with an explosive fetish once had a cat and a grenade with a remote detonator was sewn inside it by his own medical skills. He used it for an assassination tool of a middle management's wife and daughter.


PC: Ok, I got a plan they're going to find this cat. (insert evil chuckling) I snap it's back leg, and then drop it off outside their window.

GM(me): After a few minutes a few lights come on in the house, and the window opens. A little girl sticks her head out and sees the injured cat yowling for help. She wakes her mom up and they go to help the cat.

PC: I wait for it.... When they pick up the cat I press the detonator.

GM: You sick F*ck..... (rolls dice) The cat explodes killing them both, and you have the entire event on footage.


End story. There's always someone more sick and twisted out there than you. Don't bother trying to stop them, but if you don't like what they do. Don't look.

[Arethusa]