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 Dec 16 2004, 11:52 AM
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If you're putting money on it, that's clearly the smart way to bet. If you're right, you can pocket your winnings. If you're wrong, there's not going to be anyone left to collect from you, anyway. |
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Dec 16 2004, 01:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 942 Joined: 13-May 04 Member No.: 6,323 |
That depends entirely on who one is betting with, now doesn't it?
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Dec 16 2004, 02:00 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Since horrors are the ultrasuperhyperüber Primordial Evil, I wouldn't exactly count on them to give you your money once they've slaughtered most of earth's population and enslaved/are in the process of torturing the rest.
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Dec 16 2004, 02:03 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Some of them can be quite indulgent. See Ysrthgrathe's letter above.
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Dec 16 2004, 03:13 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
Yes. The quintessential ITASPTMMFBATTLWMSYCDENN. Sort of like a mix of the good ole insane/animal/sadistic/monster vampires and the new angsty gothic vampires but with an ego that dwarfs that of any dracula. Still not the kind of critter a wise man makes a bet with, if only because of the 30-minute monologue about how Ysrthgrth the Magnificent (all good names have a distinct lack of vowels) played you like a pawn and knew everything all along and how it will feast on your soul and blah-di-blah-blah.
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Dec 16 2004, 03:14 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 1-September 03 From: New York State Member No.: 5,563 |
Yeah. About that letter... Consider the source. Every one seems to take it at face value. Ya know just because it's from a Horror doesn't mean it's a compleat pack of lies or twists of truth to make corruption seem a little more palatable. He/it could really care about name givers and have nothing to gain by that letter seeing the light of day. He/it seems like a pretty straight shooter and up right guy/thing. Ya know for a Horror and all... Thanos |
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Dec 16 2004, 03:27 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
There are two interpretations I have for the letter. One is that it is in some way deceptive or misleading, and that he gains something specific from its release. The second is that it is entirely or mostly exactly what it seems, and that he is releasing it because it amuses him and because he has nothing to lose from it; essentially, the Horror version of Agent Smith's rant to Morpheus. I personally prefer the second interpretation because it is, in my opinion, cooler, but the first is still valid.
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Dec 16 2004, 03:38 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 369 Joined: 1-September 03 From: New York State Member No.: 5,563 |
I think your right but even so it's just tit for tat. You name givers are inherently evil(which I would argue against) so it's ok if we're evil too. Look at all the horrible things you name givers do. You're no different than us. Ye..no. Some of us are horrible. Some of us do evil. Not all of us. Horrors on the other hand are nothing but evil. Full of lies and corruption. On a lighter note:
30 minutes!! Pitiful mortal..er name giver! Your torment will last an eternity as my monologue continues to the end of time! bwa-ha-ha-ha-ha! Thanos |
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Dec 17 2004, 01:30 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,133 Joined: 3-October 04 Member No.: 6,722 |
Wow, I seem to have missed this one completely... how'd that happen...
This point has probably been made, but: I say we DO stand a good chance against the Horrors. I think this because at least two of the entities who lived through the last Scourge (Harlequin and Dunkelzahn) seem to think it. They're the ones with the practical experience <shrug>. |
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Dec 17 2004, 01:47 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Welcome to the winning team, chummer. :)
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Dec 17 2004, 02:54 PM
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You know, Queen Alachia felt the same way just before the last Scourge... |
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Dec 17 2004, 04:37 PM
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Alachia did survive the Scourge...just a bit pointier...
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Dec 17 2004, 04:54 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It takes more than just surviving to be the "winning team".
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Dec 17 2004, 05:18 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
I think survival would be enough. Where there's life there's Hope. Humanity might have to go through massive cultural changes or something, but those things don't last forever. In our entire history we've manage to endure all the varieties of horror (small h) done to each other. If we can survive the (big H) Horrors, we will recover.
On the other hand, if humanity survives untill the next upcyle of magic, the Horrors win too, don't they? Why in the multiverse would they want to kill off all their cows? |
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Dec 17 2004, 05:30 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Where there's hope, there are Horrors to feed on the destruction of said hope.
That was actually my point, though. Metahumans surviving means nothing. The Horrors just come back and feed again next cycle. The debate was over whether metahumans could stand tall and fight and repulse the Horrors rather than fleeing to Kaers. Also keep in mind that not all Horrors seek overt destruction. Take a look at Chantrel: she survived, and I don't think she won. ~J |
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Dec 17 2004, 06:20 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 619 Joined: 27-May 03 From: Detroit Member No.: 4,642 |
Well, as for totally destroying the Horrors, possible but not probable. At least in this cycle. Namegivers are arguably getting stronger with each cycle, so eventually they might get it together enough to not only beat back the Horrors but totally stop them.
It's possible that in this cycle they can be fought off but I don't see any way to destroy them or stop them from accessing our plane this time around. Maybe next time. |
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Dec 17 2004, 06:37 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
the problem with your theory Kage is dragon history
The dragons had long term recording devices before we learned writing their recordings show that Vergigorm, the King of all horrors, seeks the destruction of all intelligent life Each time we survive to a downcycle we get "I'll get you next time Gadget" syndrome. and each time we make it we end up stronger the next upcycle. |
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Dec 17 2004, 06:59 PM
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No, their recordings show that Verjy wants to make dragons suffer and ruin everything that dragonkind worked for. If destruction was the goal, he wouldn't have bothered rewriting a few dragons, he would've just used their corpses to make more powerful agents of destruction and kept hunting those that lived. |
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Dec 17 2004, 08:32 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Uh he wanted to destroy ALL the children of the original rebel horror... which happens to include ALL namegiver races
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Dec 17 2004, 08:46 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 556 Joined: 28-May 04 From: Moorhead, MN, USA Member No.: 6,367 |
It's a game. If the designers want the horrors to be beatable, they will introduce beatable horrors that can't keep up with the SOTA. If the horrors aren't beatable, I don't think the designers will publish a sourcebook about it. They'll just skip ahead to the next emergence from the cairns. Personally I believe (and I've seen hints) that the designers would (if this game stays in publication long enough) make the horrors at least survivable face to face. Hiding in cairns would likely be a lousy RP experience.
As a side note, forgive me for not reading all the 600+ posts before this one. |
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Dec 17 2004, 08:50 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 830 Joined: 3-April 04 From: Columbus, Ohio Member No.: 6,215 |
Do we know for a fact that ALL horrors are that evil? Is it not possible that back where they came from there were some horrors that didn't feel like coming here to be evil and do all those crappy things that the more malevolent/proactive horrors did? |
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Dec 17 2004, 10:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 527 Joined: 30-January 04 Member No.: 6,043 |
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Aspiring Horror victim. :D |
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Dec 17 2004, 10:57 PM
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Just ask every one you meet if his name is "Sparda." (and hope he's the first one you meet...) :D |
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Dec 17 2004, 11:13 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
Aren't the dragons, technically speaking, Horrors?
Also, who's Sparda? |
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Dec 17 2004, 11:17 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,032 Joined: 6-August 04 Member No.: 6,543 |
Well, you see...All humans are evil.
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