 Can we beatt he Horrors?, It needed its own thread. |
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 Dec 18 2004, 12:23 AM
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Da9iel said
Yeah. I said something like this about a year ago on this very thread. And your forgiven. Thanos |
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Dec 18 2004, 01:10 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
I don't forgive! If I can read the whole damn thread, then everyone else should be able to. :P :D
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Dec 18 2004, 05:35 AM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Gunner the namegiver races were all created by a rebel horror... the original all mother so yes dragons are decended from horrors... so are humans so are elves etc etc |
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Dec 18 2004, 06:04 AM
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Assuming you believe the dragons. Personally, I trust a dragon about as far as I can throw them. |
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Dec 18 2004, 07:11 AM
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Midnight Toker Group: Members Posts: 7,686 Joined: 4-July 04 From: Zombie Drop Bear Santa's Workshop Member No.: 6,456 |
Technically, Horror Constructs and so are Metahumans. However, you can't really calssify Nightslayer as a Horror. He was a Horror, then he decided to being one. |
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Dec 18 2004, 10:16 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 49 Joined: 18-December 04 Member No.: 6,890 |
Who's to say the Horrors are not among us, in present day Shadowrun?
Regarding the Artificer question, even if it could use nuclear weapons in the world of Earthdawn, why would it in Shadowrun? The true objective of Horrors has never been utter and total destruction. Would -you- purposefully destroy your entire food supply? The Sixth World with 6 BILLION metahumans of every shape, size and color is a veritable buffet table for the Horrors, and they are probably immensely hungry after being away for so long. Besides, what sort of emotional torment and pain would result in being disintegrated in 3 seconds by a nuclear blast? Put yourself in their position. If you were them, what would you do? I know what I would do. I would infiltrate the higher levels of government and the megacorps and control things there, manipulating humanity to do my bidding and lunching on occasion with the pain and suffering people see in their newspapers day to day and ignore. I'm surprised to see how many people vote in favor of the metaraces whipping Horrorbooty. A few things to keep in mind is that the dillution of everything was much less greater in the era of Earthdawn than it is in Shadowrun. The races were far fewer generations away from origination with the converted Horror who's tears spawned them. And the Horror's we're talking about here aren't no cyberzombies with Adept powers. Some of them, in a modern setting, would be practically invincible. Artificer was mentioned, and links up remarkably well with Deus, albeit Deus would be a much MUCH watered down form of Arty. Another one thats just scary to think about is Bonecrown the Usurper. Bonecrown the Usurper adds another step to his karma rating for every five people that follow him or that follow people who follow him. This aspect of his Horror-ific nature wasn't so bad in a time when population was much much lower, though he did annihilate an entire empire, Thera or Parlainth, I forget which. Some simple math- If for every post in the Dumpshock Forums there was one individual who directly or indirectly followed Bonecrown's lead as Chief or President or CEO or what have you, he would have a Karma Step of 24,423. The statistical probability of him beating you in anything? Really really good. The only thing which might stand a chance against a horror like that would be Corrupt Karma. And hey, its a Horror Power. Now imagine if ol' BC through some wheeling and dealing climbed to the top of the heap in a company through a few shady deals with a magic flavor to them. Lets say he's Juan Atzcapotzalco. Karma step of about 60 million. How do you roll that? ---GreyPawn ---Shadowrun-Online.com |
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Dec 18 2004, 11:16 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
It couldn't, or at least it did not. The whole thing came up as a misunderstanding of a message that mentioned the Cermak blast combined with wishful thinking from one or more pro-horrors.
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Dec 18 2004, 05:40 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
OK... dragons are Horror constructs. Check.
Now, Sparda? Also, Temper? And what do some of these things looks like anyway? |
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Dec 18 2004, 08:03 PM
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Tempter looks like a burr you picked up in the woods.
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Dec 19 2004, 12:35 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Bone Crown looks like any Namegiver it wants to save Dragons, IIRC.
~J |
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Dec 19 2004, 01:43 AM
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Kiiiiind've. Not really. In a nutshell, in the beginning there was only horrors. One of them felt like it didn't belong. So it flew off as far as it could go and saw the sun and had a self-realization of what "good" was. That emotion overwhelmed it, and it cried. From the first tear that dropped to the ground came the race of Dragons which were the closest in appearance to the ex-Horror. And then the other metaraces came from the following tears wept. Thats why Verjigorm hunts Dragons, because they were the first and the closest to the ex-Horror. That and she wants to create a race of beings able to ReName. ---GreyPawn ---Shadowrun-Online.com |
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Dec 19 2004, 01:58 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 669 Joined: 25-May 03 Member No.: 4,634 |
Wait, woah, ReName?
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Dec 19 2004, 02:58 AM
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Yes. ReName. Verjigorm hunts and kills Great Dragons. And she takes their clutches of eggs and corrupts them. Her primary goal is to create a new race, capable of ReNaming the entirety of existence and thereby remoulding the universe to the way it was before the Ex-Horror. For the life of me I can't remember what that Ex-Horror's name was.
---GreyPawn ---Shadowrun-Online.com |
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Dec 19 2004, 07:29 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,751 Joined: 8-August 03 From: Neighbor of the Beast Member No.: 5,375 |
Nightwing? @GunnerJ: Sparda was the name of Dante's father in the video game Devil May Cry. He was a demon that "...woke up to justice.." I think something may have been lost in the translation but he was a "demon" that turned against the demonic king and fought for humanity... |
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Dec 19 2004, 02:42 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Members Posts: 1,590 Joined: 11-September 04 Member No.: 6,650 |
Her name was dragon
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Jan 1 2005, 03:39 AM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
teh horers r teh luzrs!!!11 teh humns wil win go humns!!!!111
(An hour and a half left!! I breathed a sigh of relief when I realized my new year will be saved...) |
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Jan 1 2005, 03:44 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
It was up with several hours to go, but I had much the same reaction.
Clearly the Horrors are toying with us like the insects you… er, we are. ~J |
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Jan 1 2005, 04:19 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
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Jan 1 2005, 05:08 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Clearly I just need to fly over there and smack you upside the aura :P ;)
~J |
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Jan 1 2005, 06:12 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Aura not!
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Jan 1 2005, 09:54 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
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Jan 1 2005, 05:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 34 Joined: 14-November 04 From: Atlanta, GA Member No.: 6,826 |
My apologies also for not reading all of the previous post so if this was said...
But, to say they are beatable... that would be like saying we can "win" a war on a concept. Be it drugs, poverty, ect. Someone will ALWAYS want what someone else has and will be willing to destroy people/places/things for it. So, the horrors don't have to be beatable or unbeatable, metahumanity just has to be corruptible. And if you look at them, that is what they are. They feed off of negative emotions. And they feed into them. My vote, they are unbeatable. However, in a twisted sybiotic (Sp??) way, they are also tied to metahumans. Without us to feed on, twist and corrupt, what else is there. |
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Jan 1 2005, 05:52 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
For most of the Horrors, that's true. For Verjigorm, not so much.
~J |
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Jan 1 2005, 06:26 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 77 Joined: 26-April 04 Member No.: 6,284 |
Yea, reading the Earthdawn book it says that some want to eat "anything" some want just life, some want metahuman life, and that the most tearable of them feed off of negative emotion.
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Jan 1 2005, 11:45 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Exactly. Someone will ALWAYS want what the Horrors have and will be willing to destroy Horrors for it. So, as long as metahumanity is corruptible, then it is always possible to corrupt metahumanity all the way around. Corrupting the corrupted as it were. And our negative emotions are like crack... soon the Horrors will be our willing slaves. |
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