 Can we beatt he Horrors?, It needed its own thread. |
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 Feb 20 2007, 09:38 PM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 27-July 03 From: Mainz, Germany Member No.: 5,072  |
As far as I see it, conviction in SR is more how the mage in question limits his own use of magic, not how he makes it more effective. A hermetic is "limited" to his view of how magic works, and won't ever be able to summon a Spirit of Man or Nature, while a shaman wouldn't really know what to do with a hermetic circle in the first place. Conviction gives the magic slightly different shapes, but in the end the effects stay the same.
I guess if someone could come up with a working version of the good old 1E Slay (Horrors) spell, that might do the trick, no matter if it's done by a dancing wolf shaman or a latin-reciting catholic priest. Just what it'd take to come up with a working version of this spell in the first place makes my mind crawl away in horror..no pun intended. A working sample of a horror's aura, for example. And enough juice to punch through the magic resistance one of those fraggers puts up to make it work, too. :eek: Great Ghost Dance Mark 3, and only for one of them. According to SR literature, the last one done managed to put away with Spider...and that was "just" an insect spirit. |
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Feb 20 2007, 09:53 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 238 Joined: 24-January 07 Member No.: 10,756 |
Right, but that is a mechanics thing, not a fluff thing. We know that thought. emotions, and feelings affect magic by their mere prescence. It says so right under the describtion of mana at the beginning of the magic chapter.
While mechanically, we achieve the same effects using rules for the different traditions, the REASON that these effects are possible is that the magic user beleives they will work. Regardless of the superficial differences between a hermetic, christian priest, or shaman summoning a fire spirit, the fire spirit has the same stats. This is a mechanics thing, not a fluff thing. To the christian priest, it IS an Archangel with a flaming sword. To the hermetic, it is a physical construct occupying a mana lattice brought into being through sheer force of will(or something else technical.) To the shaman, it is the spirit of flame, destroyer and renewer. Mechanically, it's all the same. But each magic user is right, at least in their own mind, which is why they can do it in the first place. |
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Feb 20 2007, 09:53 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Arachnid spirit, actually.
And Crakkerjakk, the way thoughts, emotions, and feelings affect magic is clearly defined: background count. They pollute astral space, they don't shape magic use. ~J |
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Feb 20 2007, 09:59 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 993 Joined: 5-December 05 From: Crying in the wilderness Member No.: 8,047 |
Wasn't magic the science of earthdawn? So its more a matter of wether science can help us survive the Scourge long enough without back sliding into the stone age.
As astral entities the Horrors would be immune to most weapons and I carn't believe am writing in this thread, am going to stop now. |
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Feb 20 2007, 10:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 106 Joined: 27-July 03 From: Mainz, Germany Member No.: 5,072 |
Well, from where I stand, and how I understand the theory behind SR magic, you got the whole thing backwards, but I'm not aiming at a discussion about this now...mostly since I know that discussions that start like this rarely end up in the middle. ;) |
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Mar 12 2007, 10:27 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 626 Joined: 1-March 04 Member No.: 6,112 |
Here's a thought: The Earth's population density is much, much greater than it was during the Earthdawn era, with a consequent increase in the absolute number of magicians available. It strikes me as at least remotely possible that the collective magical power of the Earth's inhabitants would be up to sustaining Rites of Passage and Protection over the Earth's entire land area.
Actually, that would be a really ginchy idea for a 'Shadowrun in a hundred years' campaign. The continents are protected, but the sea, many islands, the air, even the airwaves are occupied by Horrors, making travel of any kind a daunting prospect. |
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Mar 12 2007, 10:42 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 209 Joined: 25-January 07 Member No.: 10,771 |
Heh, remember the ED era is AFTER the Horrors did most of their damage. One could imagine that they want a high population density as they seem to feed off of the fear and slaughter they create as well as the essence and magic of the creatures in the world. Thus a high population simply means a good harvest. |
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Mar 15 2007, 05:52 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 546 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Manchester, England Member No.: 1,062 |
I thought horros were basically a manifestation of mans fears. Given that it only takes a couple of people to fear something that breaks the conventional horror 'rules', spread it on to enough people (say, in a film, over the matrix for example) and voila a new horror stomps in that can break said rules. Remember, the only reason ships can't sail through land in ED is because it 'breaks the rules', but they can fly because someone imagined it possible. So, as long as no one passes on any ideas of new, bigger more evil horrors we're ok. Somehow I doubt that'll happen as long as there is matrix and media. Conclusive proof that the media is evil.
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Mar 15 2007, 06:03 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
If you believe the Dragons, Horrors predate metahumanity. Dragons also.
Of course, that's a big "if". ~J |
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 Mar 15 2007, 07:22 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 546 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Manchester, England Member No.: 1,062 |
How would Dragons know if horrors predated Dragonkind? Maybe Horrors are manifestations of Dragon's fears, in which case people shouldn't be giving Dragons ideas either...
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Mar 15 2007, 07:41 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Though the legend suggests they know because they were told by Nightslayer, I will point out that we (humans) somehow know that dinosaurs predated us.
~J |
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May 27 2008, 10:10 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
This just in: The Horrors have been beatt he. It happened on April 4th this year. The end.
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May 27 2008, 10:13 PM
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Deus Absconditus Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 2,742 Joined: 1-September 03 From: Downtown Seattle, UCAS Member No.: 5,566 |
Holy Thread Necro!
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May 27 2008, 10:22 PM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Off-hand, I can't think of a better thread to necro. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/biggrin.gif)
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May 27 2008, 10:24 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 536 Joined: 25-January 08 From: Can I crash on your couch? Member No.: 15,483 |
Yeah, we can't let this thread die, that's what the horrors want!
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May 27 2008, 10:28 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,058 Joined: 4-February 08 Member No.: 15,640 |
Insect spirits have taken over cities. Entire cities, and that is not the worst that is yet to come. Humanity ran and hid in bunkers. Why? Horrors are horrors, and were named that way because they were basically named for being humanities worst fear. Even though we have technology I can see humanity living in space and going down to earth to take a swipe at the horrors and see if they can't extract any other humans or meta humans. I don't know, but I feel that if your response is to hide in magical bunkers because of the sht storm outside, why would technology suddenly tip the scales? Our most powerful technology will probably harm the horrors as much as ourselves.
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May 27 2008, 10:55 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,013 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
QUOTE (Wounded Ronin @ May 27 2008, 05:10 PM)  This just in: The Horrors have been beatt he. It happened on April 4th this year. The end. Nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis nebis ~Nebis |
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May 28 2008, 12:23 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Answering, in character, from one 90-year old bastard that has gone through every horrorific thing from year 2000-on in Shadowrun history (Save the Renraku Arcology Shutdown, which he missed by twenty minutes, and complains bitterly about not having been there), "Bring it! I'm starting to get bored with the easy stuff."
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May 28 2008, 12:29 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,650 Joined: 21-July 07 Member No.: 12,328 |
Arn;t the horrors not due until like 3000 AD though?
I mean by that point man will be in space mars etc, and what happens to earth is kinda irrelevant. |
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May 28 2008, 12:40 AM
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Incertum est quo loco te mors expectet; Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 6,548 Joined: 24-October 03 From: DeeCee, U.S. Member No.: 5,760 |
No, Wounded, you came early!! This isn't supposed to restart until Christmas!!
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May 28 2008, 04:13 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,640 Joined: 6-June 04 Member No.: 6,383 |
QUOTE (Cthulhudreams @ May 27 2008, 08:29 PM) Arn;t the horrors not due until like 3000 AD though? I mean by that point man will be in space mars etc, and what happens to earth is kinda irrelevant. Sweet! Let's do Shadowrun: Doom Edition. |
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May 28 2008, 04:31 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,219 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Lofwyr's stomach. Member No.: 1,320 |
we may not be able to beat the horrors, but we can certainly beat a dead horse.
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May 28 2008, 11:49 AM
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Immortal Elf Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 14,358 Joined: 2-December 07 From: Winnipeg, Manitoba, Canada Member No.: 14,465 |
Is the Dead Horse infected with Shedim?
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May 28 2008, 12:09 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
It... it lives!
GO HUMANS! |
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May 28 2008, 04:04 PM
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Awakened Asset Group: Members Posts: 4,464 Joined: 9-April 05 From: AGS, North German League Member No.: 7,309 |
HUMANS-TO-GO 24/7, a new NEBIS franchise of Aztechnology.
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