 The Horrors and Death Magic? Answers In Earthdawn, And Who's Really Behind Aztlan-SPOILERS- |
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 Jan 29 2004, 08:16 AM
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Immoral Elf  Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486  |
This is the funniest line in that whole post. More sour grapes! :please: |
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Jan 29 2004, 08:16 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Gee... I fell asleep half way through Shake's post. Again.
Can someone else translate all that and give me a Cliff's notes version? |
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Jan 29 2004, 08:19 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Bitch. Rant. Moan. Complain. "I am still right, but you don't want to admit it". You suck. Bitch. I hate you and everything you stand for. Complain. Moan. Bitch. |
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Jan 29 2004, 08:20 AM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
@toturi
:rotfl: Glad to see I'm not the only one. :D Edit: And one for Fortune as well: :rotfl: |
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Jan 29 2004, 08:24 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
My goodness. The unbearable naivety of humanity. :) Anyone else like to show their Shock and Horror at how ED&SR aren't amont the world's top 5 most coherent and deeply developed stories? Perhaps you should start your search somewhere else than RPG worlds... Btw,
So you agree that you are stupid for having bought any books, and sad for having read through any of them?
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Jan 29 2004, 09:05 AM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
I'd like to add some to Fortune's already great summary: Bitch about AH. Bitch about Euiscerati. Bitch about Prosperis posts. Bitch about ED/SR. Bitch some more about Prosperis posts. Explain how he is right about the Parlainth-Teotihuacan connection (becuase the art is the same). Did I leave something out? Edit: And kids, don't forget: "With bitch drop the t, cause bich is latin for generosity." :D |
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Jan 29 2004, 10:34 AM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
You mean to tell me that all that crap can be summarised in 3 words?
Moan and Bitch? What if Mona IS my bitch? :spin: |
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Jan 29 2004, 11:33 AM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 228 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Melbourne Member No.: 652 |
Probably that it looks like Euiscerati and Master Shake are practically joined at the hip, if not in face the same person. The writing style and tone, and some of the theories, are remarkably similar. |
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Jan 29 2004, 11:58 AM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
Ops, I missed that. :)
Not to forget how much Euiscerati praises MS. It would seem that if they're not the same person, then MS has his on minion. :D |
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Jan 29 2004, 12:48 PM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
*Looks at the enormity of the thread*
Leaves... |
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Jan 29 2004, 02:53 PM
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Dragon Group: Members Posts: 4,065 Joined: 16-January 03 From: Fayetteville, NC Member No.: 3,916 |
Oh lord...I have to admire his dogged persistence in pursuit of his goal.
Now, if only his goal involved his head shattering his keyboard, I'd be thrilled. -Siege |
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Jan 29 2004, 06:11 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 12 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Wakefield, MA Member No.: 999 |
I just read Master Shake's last post and all I can say is Wow...
I feel like he's a little kid and I just told him the Easter Bunny isn't real. So to be clear, I didn't mean to rain on anyone else's parade (including AH) just his, since he is so insistent that his theories *must* be correct, even when presented with evidence to the contrary. Hopefully no one else feels injured by my posts, since the *last* thing I want to do is quash anyone's enthusiasm for ED and/or SR. And while we're talking about solving ED/SR mysteries, here are a few (hopefully) helpful hints for all of you "mystery solvers" out there. Some things to keep in mind when looking for answers in ED/SR. 1. Not everything in Earthdawn has a connection to Shadowrun. 2. Not every mystery in Shadowrun has its roots in Earthdawn. 3. Not every picture and/or sentence in ED and SR has some mysterious hidden meaning. As Freud put it, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. Take Care, Lou Prosperi Who apparently sucks at lurking.... ;-) |
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Jan 29 2004, 06:42 PM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
But in the case of the SPNKR-XP, you've got one majorly explosive cigar.
~J |
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Jan 29 2004, 08:02 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 156 Joined: 16-August 03 From: Santa Cruz Member No.: 5,500 |
The Easter bunny is real,it ate my best friend! |
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Jan 29 2004, 08:39 PM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 6,748 Joined: 5-July 02 Member No.: 2,935 |
Just for the record, I have no problem with anything you've posted LouP.
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 Jan 29 2004, 08:56 PM
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Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992 |
WHAT?! You mean... you mean he isn't real? :eek: (*) More seriously, I agree with some people here: unless Euiscerati is Master Shake's minion (it could be, I've seen similar cases), then they're probably the same guy. Regardless of the truth, my advise to Euiscerati also applies to Master Shake. Does anyone disagree with my theory? (*) But what about Monty Python's killer rabbit? ;) |
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Jan 30 2004, 01:35 AM
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Immoral Elf Group: Members Posts: 15,247 Joined: 29-March 02 From: Grimy Pete's Bar & Laundromat Member No.: 2,486 |
Nah, it's cool. :)
In all likelihood, most of us would probably prefer if you sucked even more at lurking. ;) |
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Jan 30 2004, 02:01 AM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,047 Joined: 12-November 03 From: Perilously close to the Sioux Nation. Member No.: 5,818 |
WILL IT NOT DIE?
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Jan 30 2004, 03:11 AM
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Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,006 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802 |
Nope. It, like the elves, is immortal.
~J |
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Jan 30 2004, 08:48 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 15 Joined: 14-January 04 Member No.: 5,978 |
When a conclusion seems obvious in E/S, it can't be true? But now everyone's an expert at examining styles and drawing conclusions? You almost have the right idea. Though what we now know, it's clear that even the 'obvious' of E/S is meaningless to the 'correct' answers as those who would rub our noses in their own failings like to tell us. Hualpa being Jungle Cat and Alachia being Hecate makes sense tp me. Sometimes a cigar is just a cigar and sometimes wasting your time with a game will bite you in the ass. Cursing is an art and should never be a way of life, but passion is always respectable, far more so than the sideline cheering and jeering that has ruined this thread. I wish now that I didn't waste my money of this stuff though I certainly got some enjoyment from it, so perhaps I'm ambivalent. I've done a worse job of lurking than Lou has but since I started this thread I certainly have felt obliged to respond to some of the lunacy on here. This began as a discussion about Horrors and how to stop them by using what was stated in E/S as the basis. Of all the things Lou has been silent on, this is the strangest. After all, wasn’t that the point? Maybe he’s learned to bite his tongue which would be an improvement. Ancient History and I argued over what the E/S books stated. Perhaps since you fundamentally misunderstand, or pretend to, you should take a look at page 1 of this thread. Nobody made any absolute claims about E/S accept you. Though Ancient History did his best to try, the only absolutes we were arguing over were the game facts which, as it turns out, weren't game facts at all. That's really ironic. Since you forgot or didn't see the beginning of this thread, let me recap the basics of what led to 'this.' The difference between a good answer and a bad answer is that the good answer is based on the evidence while a bad answer isn't. The correct answer could be anything, the bad answer, not based on any evidence could always end up being the correct answer. The universe is stupid like that sometimes. No matter how much reason and evidence behind a good answer that may exist, it can always be wrong. This discussion was about the best answer, not the correct answer because we had no idea of knowing what was 'really' behind E/S. The only evidence we have for E/S answers is from the canon (nod to Ancient History). The argument was always over what the 'facts' of E/S were and how they best fit together. This thread was quite conversational and pleasant until people started getting the absolutist itch and started making blanket statements. The only blanket statement that I and everyone else assumed from the beginning was that there was a brilliance behind E/S and it was worth our trouble to figure it out and get upset over. The joke is on us. If I had concluded incorrectly based on the facts or if we had missed some crucial piece of E/S evidence, that would be one thing. But nothing existing there at all? That never occurred to any of us until you decided to post. I never claimed that my interpretations of E/S *must* be correct. I claimed that my answers were better than Ancient History's because I only used the E/S contents and my own belief that E/S was a well formed game world, while Ancient History misquoted and made false claims about what E/S did contain. If you are here to tell us the correct answers, then any discussion about good or bad answers is moot. Which was your point. To throw some weight around. OK, this is a free and fair board despite Mr E (a foul mouthed italian?) being axed. Post what you want, I merely thought a mature discussion could follow from my initial post though it seems I was laughably naive in that assessment. I never claimed that I must be right, but you certainly did. And you never did present any reason or evidence of anything. Perhaps you should try now since you have such a problem with other people’s reasons and evidence, feel free to present your own. We assume you are Lou P and assume that you know what you are talking about but by your own admissions, you have made some remarkable mistakes and errors in regards to E. I doubt you could find anyone on this board who would have made or allowed such mistakes since they clearly care more than you ever did. Admitting that E/S were developed as an open ended game where later free lance writers could add their input and grow the world on their own makes sense. Though it's clear that those who are more passionate than any of you people were, would have worked harder to develop a consistency in either or both games as to avoid some embarrassing mistakes, like as you say 'Vampires' existing multiple times in E when they ‘shouldn’t.’ With that bald faced admission, that certainly explains all the plot holes and mistakes. Though it is a petty admission to make in the face of the clear interest and even passion that exists over E/S. If that is true and, basically, E or S Mythos only existed as far as the next free lance writer, the only reasonable conclusion is that caring about or wondering about these games is foolish. We can certainly invent our own answers, but that's no more than what free lance writers do which puts everything, all of the discussion about E or S or Horrors or Aztlan or the 'future' of S into the realm of pure bull shit and opinion. Not a terrible place to be, but considering the high regard many of us had for E/S, it's very disappointing. This is a board where people come to discuss such issues and people come to badger anyone who deviates from their understanding of 'canon.' Even when the books state something multiple times, it's not 'correct?' That's brings up an interested question, and the salient point that you and some of the peanut gallery don't appear to have grasped yet. 'Vampires' in Earthdawn are clearly canon since they are stated in the official books. That is the definition of 'canon.' Though now we hear that they are not correct? So the entire notion of 'canon' as the guide, that since it is written down, it must be 'correct' is revealed as bullshit. So 'canon' and correct are not synonymous. So, once again, tell us all of the other mistakes that riddle these games or simply tell us what's really going on. You claim to really know and have shown us that you want to tell us what you know, in a rather inelegant way. Go ahead, finish what you started. Tell us what little you people even bothered to plan for yourself and didn't leave totally open to a random free lance writer who'll take the lowest price-per-word contract? Doesn't appear that much was planned out, it seems clear from your admissions that the stories and characters were random factors included only for the appearance of a complex game world. Even the peanut gallery wants to hear your explanations, and since those are the people you oafishly tried to impress, go ahead and knock their socks off. Tell them all the secrets that exist, it doesn't appear that it will take you long. You can even hold them in contempt and not even try to be precise or explain the reasons behind anything you claim. You say the games don’t mater, so what are you afraid of? Don’t try to back off now. Re-reading my first post, I can't imagine what would have prompted some people to start making personal flames on this thread. It's clear that I gave all the benefit of the doubt and credit to the E/S developers which you found necessary to call me on. I had more respect for you than you now say you deserved and you went out of your way to tell us that? OK, ‘you win.’ For whatever reason, you've made it your mission to make us all fools for following what you now say was a foolish game. Comparing all of our interest in Earthdawn to a childish belief in the Easter Bunny shows your amazing lack of respect for the people who cared about the job that fed your family. It’s clear that you didn’t deserve our time or money. Those of us who did spend time and money on this. You go out of your way to undermine any respect for E/S and now compare us to children because we cared about your stupid game? And you don't seem to realize that while you're having your fun by calling us fools, you're also humiliating yourself and making yourself and your colleagues look foolish for doing such a poor job. So it's no surprise that you'd try to attack me (jealousy perhaps?) and end up backhanding those who care about this far more than I do. Like getting rid of one tree by burning down the whole forest. The person who believed in the Easter Bunny was Ancient History. All of us, save perhaps you, had a deep respect for this game, but the person who has invested money and time and bandwidth and patrols this board like a Commissar looking for traitors to 'canon' is Ancient History. For those of us who aren't that familiar with these boards and come infrequently, this isn't such a big deal, just a hobby for us. But for the posters who post every day, who fill threads like this one and even defend you when you deserve no defense or even their respect, you're rubbing their noses in this waste of time. What's wrong with believing in the Easter Bunny if they want to? The trust in you was misplaced, but you should be able to let people have their fun. This is a harsh enough world without people going around squashing other people's dreams. To me, you're an ass and a bore for admitting such shoddy work on your own part and not being clever enough to realize that your admissions undermine any faith or respect you can reasonably have for E/S, and for having no respect for the game and the gamers who did care about this. |
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Jan 30 2004, 10:24 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
Is it really necessary to answer a one sentence reply with a two page essay every time Master Shake?
I'm an avid reader but this is just getting tedious because I feel that you are just repeating what you have written earlier or fill out your answer with a lot of spam/gravy/excessive explanations. Keep it short, believe me, it works. |
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Jan 30 2004, 10:40 AM
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Harlequin Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 331 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 861 |
:please:
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Jan 30 2004, 11:01 AM
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Great Dragon Group: Members Posts: 5,889 Joined: 3-August 03 From: A CPI rank 1 country Member No.: 5,222 |
I can't believe I actually read through that...
That's about it. For me the high points were:
This post is so full of absolute bullshit that I just don't know where to begin. MS's real reasons to write such immensely long posts is probably so that he'll seem 1337, but also that it'd be impossible to point out all the errors within. Here's one quick one though: 1) MS claims he never claimed anything he said is correct, just best. 2) MS claims everything he said was based strictly on canon. 3) MS wonders why canon doesn't make him correct. That seems a bit odd to me... Let's do some more. 1) MS claims everything he said was based strictly on canon. 2) MS claims everybody trusted ED/SR to be developed to the point that every facet of the world was clearly thought out before it was written down. 3) MS claims LouP is stupid and an ass and whatever else for saying that the people who trusted (ie everybody) in ED/SR are fools and "believe in the Easter Bunny". 4) MS says he never trusted ED/SR in the first place, only AH did. 5) MS says AH is a fool and "believes in the Easter Bunny". So what does that make MS then? |
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Jan 30 2004, 11:36 AM
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Runner Group: Members Posts: 2,925 Joined: 26-February 02 Member No.: 948 |
An individual that compensates for something with extremely long posts?
"My post is bigger than yours!" Remember folks, it's a GAME, in the end it will be the game designers who are right since they can write the history/future of the setting. |
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Jan 30 2004, 01:03 PM
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Canon Companion Group: Members Posts: 8,021 Joined: 2-March 03 From: The Morgue, Singapore LTG Member No.: 4,187 |
Consider this a reading from the book of Master Shake:
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