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[AllTheNothing]

As of 2070, propably only in barrens-type areas still.

Europe files needs an update

IRL, it's fairly healthy, even if a bit depressing because it's forests are indeed made of spruce and, indeed, very dark. In 2070, it's a cursed, awakened type of forest. Like sleepy hollow, only with steeper mountains, more hellsmouth trees and mainly spruce.

GOOD, sometimes being wrong can be right!

*sigh*

Mi associo.

West Rhine-Luxemburg ... fairly normal by German Setting standards actually, just has active volcanos.

Now I need the definition of normal.

1. That's Shosara's IE, 2. Human Nation, not Winternight.

IE are (mostly) fraggers! Human Nation? Any reference?

It's an exterritorial Zone. Played STALKER? Same kinda thing. About as weird too, and just playn very much alike.

Sadly my cesso...ehm comuter can't handle STALKER but I got what you mean. In Arsenal there's a big (VERY BIG) drone that was said to be used during the reclamation of the SOX, don't know the extention of said reclamation though.

Independence-declaring Hamburg, Durruti's campaign of terror in Munich, Badenian terrorists in the southwest, and the fallout from Loffy eating Nachtmeister. And Proteus, naturally.

SK eaten Proteus?

If there is one thing Germans really hate, then it's new things.

Is it so? I bet they love the 6th world!

[Stahlseele]

wasn't germany more or less one of the first nations to use wireless matrix?
can't be that bad with new technology . . especially concidering the german cyberware, more than one meta race having their own territories and the richest and mow most powerfull dragon in the world basically owning the german corp of all . . hamburg declaring independence . . well, if you look at us today, there's no big surprise there *g*
and as for dwarven something somethings . . there was the dwarven underground kingdom of hwaldos too . . yeah so it was only in a novel, i don't care <.< . .

[Aaron]

Dear Europe,

Next time, don't send Puritans.

Love,
Aaron

[Stahlseele]

*snickers* ^^

[It trolls!]

You guys still don't know where to put them? Hint: You have a space program (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif)

[Fortune]

Your problem being?

My problem being that pretty much every damn book in the past ten years or more has had extra material included in the German version. It's fucking irritating.

[Fortune]

i guess his problem is more with the:"Of course germany has to be affected more/different than the rest of the world by the advent of Technomancers . . . "

Only marginally. I have never been overly bothered by the 'Germany has all that and more' syndrome, as the country is still part of the world available for my use. I am much more concerned by the continuing trend to publish extra material that I, as a willing consumer, cannot access effectively.

[AllTheNothing]

wasn't germany more or less one of the first nations to use wireless matrix?
can't be that bad with new technology . . especially concidering the german cyberware, more than one meta race having their own territories and the richest and mow most powerfull dragon in the world basically owning the german corp of all . . hamburg declaring independence . . well, if you look at us today, there's no big surprise there *g*
and as for dwarven something somethings . . there was the dwarven underground kingdom of hwaldos too . . yeah so it was only in a novel, i don't care <.< . .

For what I can recall the first city (or more precisely sprawl) to have the wireless matrix was neo-Tokyo (Shadows of Asia), than there was experimental zones near Celedyr and I bet in scandinavia too. Lets face it Wirless Matrix Initiative didn't include the golden wyrm and most of european grid was spared from the crash due to a certain kill-switch; other places (probably) had the priority.

[It trolls!]

Only marginally. I have never been overly bothered by the 'Germany has all that and more' syndrome, as the country is still part of the world available for my use. I am much more concerned by the continuing trend to publish extra material that I, as a willing consumer, cannot access effectively.

At least now with Pegasus as new German publisher we have word that German extras are ok'd by CGL and might be published in english later. As for Germany-only books, I guess it's a question of market demand.

[MYST1C]

My problem being that pretty much every damn book in the past ten years or more has had extra material included in the German version. It's fucking irritating.

But understandable. Most Germans in the "gamer" age range understand English more or less well so a German publisher has to offer some incentive to make the people buy the German translations instead of the (usually cheaper) English original.

[Tycho]

Only marginally. I have never been overly bothered by the 'Germany has all that and more' syndrome, as the country is still part of the world available for my use. I am much more concerned by the continuing trend to publish extra material that I, as a willing consumer, cannot access effectively.

The Situation is, that most of the German Players speak English and can or are actually playing with the English books. So the German Publisher as to put some extra content in the book to get the people buying it, if they already have the English Version. (and considering we are at least one year past CGL in the release schedule: no Emergence, Augmentation, Unwired, Runners Companion, Ghost Cartels and Corporate Enclaves so far and Arsenal 2070 release was the first book after 1,5 years)

If you want to have the content, maybe some of you should make some fan translations (e.g. Hamburg Chapter form the German Runner Haven or German Munich sourcebook or German SOX sourcebook). We did the same with some untranslated English books in the past (e.g. Shadows over North America was translated by fans).

Moreover you should be glad, that Pegasus, the German publisher, has stated, that they will only make changes to the translated books, that a arranged with Peter. For example: the new equipment in Arsenal 2070 were designed in English first, and as Peter has stated, it will be published in English in the future.

cya
Tycho

[TW]

However, the folks at Pegasus are considering publishing their own stuff in English language too, for distributuion as pdf files, AFAIK. So if Germany gets special TM treatment, you can read that too, maybe.

Not quite.
Pegasus will not publish any material in pdf format, nor will they themselves publish material translated into English. But they're of course coordinating translations and German language additions with CGL, so potentially German language material could be translated and released for the international audience as well (with CGL testing the water with the new e-books and all).

[hermit]

Human Nation? Any reference?

Hinted at in SoE, while the full story is in a German-only novel.

In Arsenal there's a big (VERY BIG) drone that was said to be used during the reclamation of the SOX, don't know the extention of said reclamation though.

Arcologies were built, many powered by nuclear reactors. In the new SOX source/campaign book, one of these reactors blew and wasted decades of reclaimation.

SK eaten Proteus?

Opps, badly formulated. Proteus, as such, as a plot point, like in the splended but German-only Shockwaves campaign.

Europe files needs an update

Europe files?

wasn't germany more or less one of the first nations to use wireless matrix?

No, that was Japan, in shadows of Asia.

[hermit]

more than one meta race having their own territories

They also got their own dwarf metavariant, the Querx. Hint: They're blue-skinned and have stubby tails.

My problem being that pretty much every damn book in the past ten years or more has had extra material included in the German version. It's fucking irritating.

Understandably, but if the ebooks idea pays off, you might see it translated, as others have said. Originally, however, this was pure marketing to entice Germans to buy more costly German books. Of course, much of the extra content, you could also just do without. I really doupt you'd ever need the shadows of every minor city laid out as detailedly as they were in DidS2. I sure don't.

By the way, this translations idea does also encompass the French-only stuff, like the alternative SOX campaign, Marseilles, and such, right?

On an editorial note: Some of the stuff from Digital Grimoire - psionics, shadow spirits - are from a formerly German-only book called Brennpunkt - ADL (Target - AGS). I do hope they also used the fantastic artwork by Scherwinski. So there, you propably will get the extr German stuff after all.

[MYST1C]

They're blue-skinned and have stubby tails.

Actually, all the book says is that their skin has a "blueish tone"*. And there's nothing about "tails" in the book - don't know where you got that from.

* Which isn't even something new - the Japanese Oni ork metavariant is described as having a number of brightly colorful skin tones, inkluding blue and orange.

I really doupt you'd ever need the shadows of every minor city laid out as detailedly as they were in DidS2. I sure don't.

I, on the contrary, would love more information about more cities! Then again, my favorite location sourcebook ever is Cyberpunk 2020's "Night City Sourcebook" that contains a rundown of interesting locations, NPCs and plot hooks for every single city block of NC's city core...
Compared to that book every SR location book so far has been incredibly shallow.

[hermit]

I, on the contrary, would love more information about more cities! Then again, my favorite location sourcebook ever is Cyberpunk 2020's "Night City Sourcebook" that contains a rundown of interesting locations, NPCs and plot hooks for every single city block of NC's city core...
Compared to that book every SR location book so far has been incredibly shallow.

That's a bit to detailed for my tastes. that way, you get in trouble as soon as you leave the premises of your one group where you shot Snotty Old Harry, whereas he is the important fixer contact opf a character from a different campaign. I like some freedom for GMs to develop their own stuff in a setting, and am more for outlines and hot spot type locales. Ultra-detailed stuff like NCSB is fun to read, but hell to run anything in.

And frankly, with Germany and it's abundance of small towns, I really don't see any pressing need for the Shadows of Brunsbuettel, Pfortzheim, Garmisch-Patenkirchen, Memmingen-Schwenningen or Ludwigsfelde. I'd really like more details on locales in the UCAS, CAS (CAS in general, it's like a huge black hole of information there) and more exotic places.

Ah well, cannot argue about taste.

Re tails: I think they were mentioned in DIDS2, or one of the adventures. Fairly sure I read about them somewhere though.

[AllTheNothing]

Hinted at in SoE, while the full story is in a German-only novel.

And non-german-speaking people like me get the shaft.

Arcologies were built, many powered by nuclear reactors. In the new SOX source/campaign book, one of these reactors blew and wasted decades of reclaimation.

Errare umanum est, perseverare diabolicum.

Opps, badly formulated. Proteus, as such, as a plot point, like in the splended but German-only Shockwaves campaign.

See above.

Europe files?

I just said that the old world needs a new sourcebook.

No, that was Japan, in shadows of Asia.

......sudden change in reciver department

[AllTheNothing]

And frankly, with Germany and it's abundance of small towns, I really don't see any pressing need for the Shadows of Brunsbuettel, Pfortzheim, Garmisch-Patenkirchen, Memmingen-Schwenningen or Ludwigsfelde. I'd really like more details on locales in the UCAS, CAS (CAS in general, it's like a huge black hole of information there) and more exotic places.

Ah well, cannot argue about taste.

I too would like more info about what changed around the world. I would also like some "historical campaigns" that explain some changes happened betwen the crash and emergence, for exemple "San Francisco's Fandango", ergo "how were Saito's ass kicked out of SF", a book that describes the stuggle that freed the CFS, the involvment of the Ares, the various 'run, and how things affected the various factions involved. Maybe even the scenario from Year of the Comet mess all the way to after the liberation, the resistence, the politics, tensions racial tensions, the struggle for survival, the various points of view; even if you know how the story goes it can be a great experince.

Maybe I should make a Wishlist thread. What you think?

[hermit]

And non-german-speaking people like me get the shaft.

Yes, basically. I'd wish they'd translate the Heintz novels, because they're actually pretty good, but there's something about licensing that will prohibit this, for all I know. Sorry guys.

See above.

Indeed.

[Heath Robinson]

the splended but German-only Shockwaves campaign.

I have the Fanpro translation on my hard drive right now. It's not particularly "German-only". If I recall correctly it was freely available on BattleCorps.

[TW]

You can find an officially translated summary of the campaign on shadowrun4.com.

[hermit]

I have the Fanpro translation on my hard drive right now. It's not particularly "German-only". If I recall correctly it was freely available on BattleCorps.

Really? Okay, the better for you guys, because this heavily ties in with SoE.

[Fortune]

I have the Fanpro translation on my hard drive right now. It's not particularly "German-only". If I recall correctly it was freely available on BattleCorps.

I've never even heard about a 'translation'. I've read the summary, if that is what you are referring to. If not, I'd be quite interested in seeing a complete, unabridged translation of the entire adventure.

[Grinder]

That's a bit to detailed for my tastes. that way, you get in trouble as soon as you leave the premises of your one group where you shot Snotty Old Harry, whereas he is the important fixer contact opf a character from a different campaign. I like some freedom for GMs to develop their own stuff in a setting, and am more for outlines and hot spot type locales. Ultra-detailed stuff like NCSB is fun to read, but hell to run anything in.

The problem only comes up if you're running two parallel campaigns - and if you can do that, you should consider yourself lucky and don't complain. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/grinbig.gif)

[Heath Robinson]

I've never even heard about a 'translation'. I've read the summary, if that is what you are referring to. If not, I'd be quite interested in seeing a complete, unabridged translation of the entire adventure.

Might have been that summary you mentioned. I have not read through much of it, given that I'm not all that motivated to read SR3 material in general. I assumed that the preamble describing Proteus was background material for a compaign or something and it was presented to me as a full translation by the person who gave me the heads-up about it.