 The Shadowrun Timeline is 14 years old, so..., We're here... |
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 Oct 19 2003, 04:23 AM
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Moving Target  Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Butte County, CA Member No.: 3,836  |
Okay, as far as I can tell Shadowrun has been around since 1989, that's 14 years, and all lot of things have happened since then... And I'd like to hear your thoughts.
My main questions are: What in Shadowrun Canon has come true, or at least shows sign of coming true? (Schwarzenneger going into politics [PA of NA, 1990], Chameleon clothing [Shadowtech 1992]) What does it have that hasn't and probably won't happen? (Century Ferret being discovered [PA of NA], The Food Riots in New York that sparked the Shiawase decision [Various offical timelines]) What has definetly happened (or at least on the way) that can not be fit anywhere into Shadowrun Canon? (The Twin Towers on 9/11, Our current situation in Afghanistan and Iraq, Not to mention the current presence/existence of FASA and WizKids Shadowrun Sourcebooks) Finally, if this world 'Awakened' when the actual Mayan calendar 'ends' (2011/2012/about eight to nine years) what kind of 'Shadowrun' would we make? |
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Oct 19 2003, 04:25 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Well, Quebec almost seceded this year. Made a 49% vote to get out, close, but no cigar.
Give them another year, more than likely, and we'll have a Free Quebec on our hands. |
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Oct 19 2003, 04:32 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 4-December 02 From: Québec, Bounty Hunter Region Member No.: 3,677 |
This year ? Eh, it was in 1996! And btw, we will certaintly not got a Free Québec 'cause we elected a Liberal (Pro-Federal (Canada)). We have him for 4 years... In 10-15 years we will be able to see if we will go by ourself (I'm Québecois) or we will be again with the Canada. |
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Oct 19 2003, 04:33 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
'96 too? I read somewhere they tried just this year. Source wrong or something?
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Oct 19 2003, 04:34 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 4-December 02 From: Québec, Bounty Hunter Region Member No.: 3,677 |
Source wrong 'cause this year was just the election of a new governement !
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Oct 19 2003, 04:35 AM
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Chrome to the Core Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 3,152 Joined: 14-October 03 From: ::1 Member No.: 5,715 |
Hm. Fair enough. Accursed "wrong sourcers" in the news.
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Oct 19 2003, 04:40 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 80 Joined: 4-December 02 From: Québec, Bounty Hunter Region Member No.: 3,677 |
I'm not gonna go deeply in that but maybe your source was saying that maybe 'cause a liberal party was elected, there was some kind of "rebellion" in the "heart" of the Québec conservators. We are proud to be francophone, if we elect a damn supporter of Canada we will gonna get crasy and more if he his a sheep (and he his...).
That was not the point of the subject so hmm, let keep it here :spin: |
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Oct 19 2003, 05:40 AM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 10 Joined: 18-August 03 From: Here there Everywhere Member No.: 5,514 |
I did a Quick search on the Shadowrun Archive’s Timeline explorer the other day
“The Towers” going down in real life shouldn't change a thing in the Shadowrun Timeline |
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Oct 19 2003, 05:06 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 751 Joined: 7-June 02 From: Hamilton.LTG.on.ca Member No.: 2,853 |
remember ShadowRun is fictional.
The Quebec thang all the power to my francophone bro's but I beleive that a large chunk of Land would go back to the Natives, my info is not confirmed btu just what I heard from my fellow redman. |
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Oct 19 2003, 05:48 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 7 Joined: 11-October 03 From: Penn State University Member No.: 5,708 |
One disturbing industrial change will likely be that one we all know and love...porn. :sleepy:
Seriously, though. Check out the "Awful Link of the Day" archives over at Something Awful. Furry porn, mannequin porn, naked women photoshopped to be covered in binary...the world has some pretty f'ing weird stuff out there already. Now factor in cyberware, magic, awakening, etc... If I'm not mistaken, YotC mentions a SURGEr who came out looking like a stereotypical anime catgirl and now makes a living as an exotic dancer. You can just imagine what kind of weird fetishes would arise with all this. >_< Scary...scary... |
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Oct 19 2003, 06:18 PM
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Hmm, I'll try from a Canadian perspective (with Quebec separating). Hmm, in 2007, the Quebecois party PQ gets elected into power, and with massive disgruntlement among the Quebec electorate stemming from the Federal Government's ending of the "apeasement" policy with Quebec stemming form the previous PM Jean Chretian. With millions of dollars no longer funneled into the Quebec economy, a possible resurgence of the economy that was boosted by the lowering of taxes of Charest's government was crippled (another reason Charest's Liberals were voted out was his policies that halved the beauracracy and severely hampered the unions). The Parti Quebecois immediately held a referendum on Quebec separation. It passed with an astonishing 59% "Oui" vote, but was noteble with a 76% "Non" in Montreal. Again rascism reared its ugly head as the head of the PQ party accused the "ethnic vote" of skewing the results and declared the vote of 59% to be good enough to allow Quebec to separate, because the Montreal votes were not by true Quebecers. This allowed the PQ to give the vote legitimacy around the "Clarity" Bill passed by Ottawa in the late 90's. Ottawa, already dealing with a constitutional crisis with Western Canada (Alberta and BC were staging "tax revolts" over the recent Supreme Court decision on the 3E Senate challenge), could do little to stop the Quebec Decision. Quebec independence was reconised on June 24th, 2008. However, all was not well with the new Republic of Quebec. Attempts the annex francophone areas of Ontario and New Brunswick was met with outright hostility, and a near declaration of war from what remained of Canada. The northern Cree also declared that they were not members of Quebec, but Canada, and held a their own referendum which passed with an astounding 89% to remain in Canada. The Churchills Falls electricity contract with Newfoundland & Labrador was declared void by the Newfoundland & Labrador goverment, because it was with a province of Quebec, not a separate nation. An attempt to take the hydro-electric rich Labrador area was stopped when the Quebec Van Doos were repulsed by the PPCLI Regiment and a small contigent of Canadian Rangers sent by the northern Quebec Natives, and a militia unit of Newfies. An appeal to France for assistance, long considered an ally of Quebec, was rebuffed, as the French government was concerned about losing fishing rights in the recovering Grand Banks fisheries (Canadian officials made no secrect that they would occupy and annex the Fench islands off the Canadian coast). A final blow to the youthful Republic was it's attempt to close off traffic in the St Lawrence Seaway except for toll shipping. A brief incursion into Quebec and a large naval presence by the United States effectively cowed the Quebec government into submission. They did not just leave one Anglophone state to become a territory of another, and again France could not aid Quebec because of its own political problems with the US. Despite all the setbacks, Quebec remained an independent state, although not as wealthy or anywhere near as large as the Quebecois originally dreamed. Quebec did have a bright future though. Despite the setbacks, the average Quebecois was thrilled to be indenpendant, and had an optimistic view of the future. Montreal did eventually join the Republic (after a short blockade), and the ethnic community, rather than view the rantings of some foolish politicians, decided to stay in the new country and try to build it into something their children could be proud of. But Quebec independance was also mainly due to the fragmentation of the remainder of Canada due to the Saskatoon Accords, rather than an unwillingness to return to the Canadian fold. More later. This post is long enough (and possibly inflammatory enough). (Preview - the West becomes semi-autonomous - biligualism is ended, affecting more communities than expected - after the Ghost Dance, Vancouver and the Frasier Valley become an independant non-NAN state, closely allied with China, Korea - Southern and Central Alberta fight off the NAN, with the Republic of Alberta to become the feudal state of Dunkelzahn [home brew campaign]) |
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Oct 19 2003, 06:42 PM
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Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,428 Joined: 9-June 02 Member No.: 2,860 |
None of that is verbotten in SR history. However, one big awkwardness is the lack of Seretech and Shiawase decisions by the US Supreme Court, all of which should be over and done with by now (IIRC). They were made between 1999 and 2001 in SR, IIRC, and they clearly didn't happen. Corporate sovereignty is behind schedule IRL. |
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Oct 19 2003, 07:55 PM
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Even more interesting is that the Supreme Court that handed down the decisions is no where near existing. This is what I just quickly composed from the timeline and my own guess about the composition about the Supreme Court that decided the Shiawase and Seretech cases, a list that could be considered "Archconservative." The whole thing was based on the assumption that SR divierged from RL in 1989, although the first reference being in 1993 makes me rethink retirement of the Justices in 1987, 1990, and 1991. However, I think it's best to just assume this actually diverges in 1993 with one MAJOR exception--Since Chief Justice Burger stayed on until 1994, Justice Rehnquist never became Chief Justice in 1986, and Justice Scalia didn't take the seat he effectively vacated. Combined with canon, he would have actually retired ten years ago, which is nothing short of amazing because that means that SR canon as to the state of law diverged in 1986, effectively making the Shiawase decision (the Seretech decision is a bit more palatable) very much possible in the context of the changes to the other branches (e.g., how the conservatives stayed through the 90s.) to mean that there quite possibly was law to support the Shiawase decision during the whole privatization movement of the Lynch Administration--which is the only way I can even begin to imagine how extraterritoriality became possible. 1993-the first of the Supreme Court justices appointed during the Burger court leaves office. * Blackmun (appointed 1970) 1994-Chief Justice Burger retires. * Died in June 1995 IRL 1994-Terence Ordell appointed Chief Justice. * Outspoken conservative law professor from the East Coast (Bork eqv.?) 1998-Three Burger Justices retired or dead. * Rehnquist (appointed 1972) * Blackmun (appointed 1970) * White (appointed 1981) Ordell Court (1994-?) * Stevens (Ford-appointed 1975) * O'Connor (Reagan-appointed 1981) * Unknown Reagan Appointment (Hell, maybe Bork would have made it this time--appointed 1988) * Souter (Bush-appointed 1990) * Thomas (Bush-appointed 1991) * Ordell (Lynch; 1994 successor to CJ Burger) * Unknown Lynch Appointment (1993 successor to Rehnquist) * Unknown Lynch Appointment (1993(?) successor to Blackmun) * Unknown Lynch Appointment (1993(?) successor to White) |
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Oct 21 2003, 12:45 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 731 Joined: 25-March 02 From: Rye, New York Member No.: 2,470 |
They have a prototype cyber eye that can give blind people some vision, not very good, think really big pixels, but it's something.
Cyber limbs exist with "flesh" latex covers which can make the "hook" look less frightening. There is a datahaven at Zeeland in the north sea. |
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Oct 21 2003, 12:58 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 113 Joined: 5-January 03 From: Butte County, CA Member No.: 3,836 |
Got some nice detail so far. :grinbig:
Sweet! :rotate: This post has been edited by ShieldT: Oct 21 2003, 01:01 PM |
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Oct 21 2003, 04:30 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
Also there was a story just this week of some apes who can control a robot arm in another room using just their minds via some implanted electrodes. First step in full cyber-integration if I'm not mistaken! Feel sorry for the monkey's though, regardless of the whole 'brain feels no pain thing' (that's the organ. I'm not saying ape's feel no pain). They certainly didn't look in any pain and were quite relaxed about the whole thing.
For the full story, see www.bbc.co.uk/news Its in there somewhere. The short version - they stuck some electrodes in, gave 'em a joystick and a computer screen with the arm on, and let them figure out how to move it about and do stuff with it. They recorded the brainwaves etc as they did it. They analyzed this, wrote some funky software, then they took away the joysticks and gave them dummy ones, and let them carry on. Guess what? The arm moved. Go them. Then one of the females decided she didn't need to use the joystick, took her hand off and carried on moving it around the screen. Apart from the whole issue of how the apes feel about all this, how kewl is that?! Lop off my arms, mr street doc, I wanna a shiny new one... |
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Oct 22 2003, 02:11 AM
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Prime Runner Group: Members Posts: 3,577 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Gwynedd Valley PA Member No.: 1,221 |
I just saw somehting on the history channel about GSP systems. The wild part was a use of the system in police work, a drone rolling through a building looking for intruders, if it's going to loose the link with it's satilite it stops and launches a mini-unit that is connected to the main drone and has a camera to feed info back to the user. As i watched it all i could think that it was an aztech crawler.
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Oct 22 2003, 12:08 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Vigo (Spanish Kingdom) Member No.: 1,446 |
Possibly becoming true:
Decks, as we know them, are already been studied as a the future computer (among other different possibilities like the DNA computer). Corps are still gaining power slowly, so the Seretech decision might come a bit late, but come after all. :eek: Error: Russia is nowhere as powerful as it should be accourding to cannon, which, IIRC, states that the URSS still exists. Probably error: The space race is a bit more advanced, so Mars will probably be way studied before Dunkelzahn shows his photos of the dragon bones. Native Americans, AFAIK, don't live in protection camps, and it doesn't look like they will anytime soon. About the Iraq war, it doesn't affect cannon any way so, when Shadows of Near Asia comes out, theyjust have to mention it and it'll be covered. |
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Oct 22 2003, 05:06 PM
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Avatar of Mediocrity Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 725 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Seattle, WA (err, UCAS) Member No.: 277 |
...and don't forget that Japan is still in somewhat of a recession, so the world-dominating Japanacorps are a bit unlikely...
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Oct 22 2003, 05:30 PM
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Target Group: Members Posts: 31 Joined: 27-June 03 From: Past the Keeper, fourth plane on the left. Member No.: 4,820 |
Also, in the books it mentions that the first optical chip was created in 2002. strangely enough, they created the first optical chip just last year, right on schedule. Optical computing is just a few years away. Ok, so it may take them another few years to prove how feasible it is, but it's coming.
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Oct 22 2003, 07:17 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 488 Joined: 4-August 03 From: Amidst the ruins of Silicon Valley. Member No.: 5,242 |
Only a 5.8? Are you sure those numbers aren't transposed? I've lived through a 7 here on the West Coast, back in 1989, and though there was some damage (to the Embarcadero and the Bay Bridge) it wasn't what I would describe as "city-flattening". They must mean "8.5"... |
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Oct 22 2003, 07:19 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
Ah, I beg to differ! :D I remember clearly that they mentioned the first optical chip controlled by an enzyme which changes colour as it gets filled up at least three or four years ago, possibly longer. It was only in development, obviously used very specialist equipment and was a bit crappy - with potential for massive improvements, obviously.
But its cool if they've progressed it to the point of release, though. |
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Oct 22 2003, 07:21 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 611 Joined: 21-October 03 From: Yorkshire Toxic Zone Member No.: 5,752 |
yes, butyou live on the west coast of the usa, where the buildings and construction is built to safeguards which as far as I recall simply aren't in use on the east coast, because it doesn't get earthquakes which is why it was such a devastating event. I'm pretty sure that's right. it certainly makes logical sense. Remember - california has some pretty tight laws on that sort of thing (amongst others). Of course, I'm a Brit, so I may not know what I'm talking about! |
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Oct 22 2003, 07:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 24-September 03 From: Albany, OR Member No.: 5,643 |
5.8 MIGHT wake you up from a sleep, may even knock a picture over, but not flatten a city.
A shallow 8.5 could flatten NY though.. |
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 Oct 22 2003, 07:26 PM
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Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 326 Joined: 26-February 02 From: Vigo (Spanish Kingdom) Member No.: 1,446 |
And I think I rememeber reading about an implant that alowed someone to move the mouse in a computer using his brain, though it was dead slow.
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