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Kagetenshi

Oct 22 2003, 07:47 PM

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QUOTE (Hot Wheels)

There is a datahaven at Zeeland in the north sea.

That barely counts. The thing is a mess, and only a fool would trust their data to them.

~J

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Oct 22 2003, 07:58 PM

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2005: At 7:20 A.M. on August 12, In New York City, New York, U.S.A., the city is struck with a major earthquake that goes 5.8 on the Richter Scale. This results in over 200,000 deaths and 20 million dollars worth of damage. The only Manhattan building of any size that does not collapse is the Empire State Building. As a result of the quake the East Coast Stock Exchange is moved to Boston and the United Nations is moved to Geneva.

:eek:

and people complain about how screwed up the prices of guns are in SR.

Every skyscraper in NYC = $20 million damage? Construction prices must have really bottomed out.

$20 trillion maybe...

spotlite

Oct 22 2003, 08:40 PM

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QUOTE (Nindaru)

5.8 MIGHT wake you up from a sleep, may even knock a picture over, but not flatten a city.

A shallow 8.5 could flatten NY though..

fair enough! I stand corrected!

ShieldT

Oct 23 2003, 04:44 AM

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I think the current European Union might be relevant, still thinking about how.
Anyway, all the biotech and cloning seems to be progressing nicely.

Various people: Fair enough, Iraq may not going against canon, but you gotta admit that 9/11 has inspired the current terror alert/phobia and led us directly to our Bureau of Homeland Security; the implications of I find pretty scary/disturbing. They sound capable of legalizing investigative mind probes, as well as of a lot more things more likely to happen.

Here's a tech line unheard of in 1989: " Animal Riggers " It's definitely not pro- or against canon, but as far as a post-modern Shadowrun goes... I've got some ideas, so I'm linking to here. Mainly because I broke an earlier version from this post... and because I felt like it :D

Basically:

QUOTE (SheildT)

Something on Discovery Science last month just happened to nicely combine the ape and drone bits: A New York team of scientists, have worked out a process where 3 hair-thin electrodes are inserted into a rat's brain, one to each area of whisker nerve endings and one to the pleasure center of the rat's brain. The electrodes lead to a battery pack radio combo backpack, light and snug enough to not interfere with the rat's movement, stimulating either whisker cluster feels like a touch on the end of it. If they turn in the direction of the touch they get a 'good feeling reward' and can easily be directed by a human... the rat has a choice over whether to turn or not, on roughly the same principle as a trained dog responding to signals, but that pleasure center thing sounds pretty addictive... Yeah, I can just picture a drone rigger and an animal rigger sitting down and arguing over customizable drones versus dual-natured critters...

Now, think of how much Shadowrun's been changed because of runners outsmarting corp guard animals who didn't have cyberware because of Essence and rejection issues and couldn't be trained because they didn't want to be. Now think if all those runs had been that much harder... Just think of what toys we'd be playing with, in an alternate 2060, if all those years mechanical drones had actually faced some stiff competition :wobble:

[Edit: And forget BTL chips... If corps could create an addiction in their personnel with just a few pulses of electricity..]

Edited for length and content and code and the creation of a new thread a few hours later.

This post has been edited by ShieldT: Oct 23 2003, 02:52 PM

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Oct 23 2003, 05:33 AM Post #30
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802	Even the Bureau of Homeland Insecurity will matter little if the US dissolves, I'd say. Besides, I can still pray that the thing manages to get killed in a few years. ~J

Sepherim

Oct 24 2003, 09:24 AM

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QUOTE (ShieldT)

Various people: Fair enough, Iraq may not going against canon, but you gotta admit that 9/11 has inspired the current terror alert/phobia and led us directly to our Bureau of Homeland Security; the implications of I find pretty scary/disturbing. They sound capable of legalizing investigative mind probes, as well as of a lot more things more likely to happen.

I guess it would improve the paranoid in the people up to Shadowrun's level. And maybe augment the number of weapons on the streets also up to Shadowrun's level. So I ain't too sure it would change anything, it fits quite nicely in a Cyberpunk setting.

Kagetenshi View Member Profile	Oct 24 2003, 05:50 PM Post #32
Manus Celer Dei Group: Dumpshocked Posts: 17,008 Joined: 30-December 02 From: Boston Member No.: 3,802	You know what would rock? If the Department of Homeland Security was replaced by The Computer. I wanna be a troubleshooter. ~J

JongWK View Member Profile	Oct 24 2003, 05:57 PM Post #33
Shooting Target Group: Validating Posts: 1,618 Joined: 29-January 03 From: Montevideo, Uruguay. Member No.: 3,992	@ Kagete-N-SHI 1 You're just a mutant, commie traitor who probably belongs to a secret society of mutant, commie traitors! ZAP-ZAP-ZAP-ZAP!!! :silly:

k1tsune View Member Profile	Oct 24 2003, 07:03 PM Post #34
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 302 Joined: 20-October 03 Member No.: 5,740	Hey, you dissin' mutant commie traitors?

El_Machinae View Member Profile	Oct 24 2003, 10:04 PM Post #35
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188	You know what would be cool? If we actually built the space elevator soon. I'm sure you've read about it in the popular press, but here's a link I don't think there's anything even similar to it in Shadowrun, but the opinion seems to be popular. Although, by making more resources to harvest, we'd be moving to larger and more powerful corps.

John Campbell View Member Profile	Oct 24 2003, 11:33 PM Post #36
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,028 Joined: 9-November 02 From: The Republic of Vermont Member No.: 3,581	A space elevator would be a huge investment of capital, but in the long run, would provide cheap and easy access to geosynch and thence the rest of the solar system and its resources for the outfit that controls it. So how hard do you think corps are going to work to prevent their rivals from building one, and how hard are they going to work to protect their own effort? And how much money can a team of competent shadowrunners make from being on one side or the other (or both!) of that conflict?

El_Machinae View Member Profile	Oct 25 2003, 01:19 AM Post #37
Moving Target Group: Members Posts: 305 Joined: 2-March 03 Member No.: 4,188	I suspect, in the beginning, that governments will have to build the elevators, and then companies will pay to use the elevators. When the prediction that the cost of lift-off will fall to about $100 / lb, that's without paying the depreciation on the elevator. In essence, the gov't would be subsidizing space-borne industry. But, don't get angry - the gov'ts subsidize lots of industries. Heck, Californian cattle farmers pay less for water because of subsidies. It's the way economics works - the tax paid for your coffee goes to helping supply the world with meat, and space industrialization.

John Campbell

Oct 25 2003, 07:55 AM

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QUOTE (El_Machinae)

I suspect, in the beginning, that governments will have to build the elevators, and then companies will pay to use the elevators. When the prediction that the cost of lift-off will fall to about $100 / lb, that's without paying the depreciation on the elevator.

Not likely, not in Shadowrun's world. Remember who the candidates were in the probe race? The corps run the space effort, along with everything else. If I'm remembering my SR history correctly, Ares bought NASA... they are the US space effort.

I'd finger Ares as the most likely candidate for building a space elevator in the Shadowrun world... they've got the best aerospace of any of the AAAs, and, while the elevator would ultimately render much of that obsolete, it'd still be necessary in the construction stages. On the other hand, one of the other AAAs with a solid but weaker aerospace division might try it to see if they could do an end run around Ares's strengths...

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In essence, the gov't would be subsidizing space-borne industry. But, don't get angry - the gov'ts subsidize lots of industries. Heck, Californian cattle farmers pay less for water because of subsidies. It's the way economics works - the tax paid for your coffee goes to helping supply the world with meat, and space industrialization.

You're preaching to the choir here.

Abstruse View Member Profile	Oct 25 2003, 10:05 AM Post #39
Running Target Group: Members Posts: 1,451 Joined: 21-April 03 From: Austin, TX Member No.: 4,488	I can't remember where I read it and I can't remember which corp it was (Japanese I believe, maybe Shaiwase, but I'm not sure)...but one of them is trying to build an elevator in Africa near Mt. Kilamanjaro <sp> (I think). Basically, it's a large mountain surounded by lots of flat space, whereever it is. However, they're running into a lot of problems with free spirits sabotaging their efforts. I'm sure someone can fill in the blanks better... The Abstruse One

Nath

Oct 25 2003, 01:42 PM

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QUOTE (Abstruse)

I can't remember where I read it and I can't remember which corp it was (Japanese I believe, maybe Shaiwase, but I'm not sure)...but one of them is trying to build an elevator in Africa near Mt. Kilamanjaro <sp> (I think). Basically, it's a large mountain surounded by lots of flat space, whereever it is. However, they're running into a lot of problems with free spirits sabotaging their efforts. I'm sure someone can fill in the blanks better...

This is in Target: Awakened Lands. Actually, it's not an elevator, it's a magnetic "gun" ("bullet" being cargo load). The mountain surrounded by a lot of flat sapce is the Kilimandjaro itself. And it's not a single corp who plan on building it but the Corporate Court / the Big Ten. They give the estimation of the launching cost when the project will be finished but I don't remember it.

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